Who’s going to “On with the Faux?”

[MaryLiz2]

Originally Posted by jools

I have been reading the forums with great interest.

This post will probably not go down well.

I am sick to death with Stevie & Lindsey.

At the end of the day he has been fired.Whatever the reasons, the right or wrongs of this decision.

You may agree with it or not.


Long live Fleetwood Mac

For what it's worth, I think I agree with you? I was at least sick to death of the fake interactions between Stevie and Lindsey. Reading interviews and looking at body language, I thought it was pretty obvious that they really did not care to be around each other, so I got eye strain from all the eye-rolling when they'd do the hug-y stuff during performances. It was just kind of...uncomfortable. So part of me was almost relieved with the recent development, because I didn't really care to watch them go through the motions again on another tour. I'm curious about what the new guys will bring to the tour, presumably without the underlying feeling of tension that would likely underscore the whole show if the Rumours 5 were all touring together.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by MaryLiz2

For what it's worth, I think I agree with you? I was at least sick to death of the fake interactions between Stevie and Lindsey. Reading interviews and looking at body language, I thought it was pretty obvious that they really did not care to be around each other, so I got eye strain from all the eye-rolling when they'd do the hug-y stuff during performances. It was just kind of...uncomfortable. So part of me was almost relieved with the recent development, because I didn't really care to watch them go through the motions again on another tour. I'm curious about what the new guys will bring to the tour, presumably without the underlying feeling of tension that would likely underscore the whole show if the Rumours 5 were all touring together.

For what it's worth, I think I agree with both of you. I was actually going to agree with the original poster, but you beat me to the punch. Anyway, well said...maybe that's what I was waiting for....someone to type it out for me.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by MaryLiz2

For what it's worth, I think I agree with you? I was at least sick to death of the fake interactions between Stevie and Lindsey. Reading interviews and looking at body language, I thought it was pretty obvious that they really did not care to be around each other, so I got eye strain from all the eye-rolling when they'd do the hug-y stuff during performances. It was just kind of...uncomfortable. So part of me was almost relieved with the recent development, because I didn't really care to watch them go through the motions again on another tour. I'm curious about what the new guys will bring to the tour, presumably without the underlying feeling of tension that would likely underscore the whole show if the Rumours 5 were all touring together.

Yeah, but the thing is he was fired, not her. And he was fired because of her. They should have both been fired, but that's never gonna happen. So as it is now, it's unfair.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by button-lip

Yeah, but the thing is he was fired, not her. And he was fired because of her. They should have both been fired, but that's never gonna happen. So as it is now, it's unfair.

Mick would never allow that. Otherwise he'd be playing in a pseudo blues band somewhere, most likely Fleetwood's on Front St.

[MaryLiz2]

Originally Posted by jwd

Mick would never allow that. Otherwise he'd be playing in a pseudo blues band somewhere, most likely Fleetwood's on Front St.

Exactly. While I still believe it's speculation that Lindsey was fired because of Stevie's wishes. There are four people still left in the band, and after putting up with the awkward dynamic between themselves for the better part of four decades to think that three of the four remaining members bowed to the whims of just one is a stretch for me. Regadless, I don't know why firing both would be necessary or that when it comes to the business decisions of five aging millionaires the reasoning needs to be "fair."

Even it it was all Stevie being "it's him or me," why would the rest of the band be "Forget it, it's both of you"? Regardless of anyone on this board's personal feelings on the matter, Stevie has been and remains the biggest draw for the band among the general concert-going public. If it all comes down to money, the band isn't going to toss the biggest contributor to the bottom line. Beyond the financial aspect, there's no denying that Mick gets along with Stevie better on a personal level. Whatever posters here may think of Stevie and her diva-ness, evidence suggests that within the context of the band Lindsey has historically been the outsider. I mean, she and Mick are always showing up at things together and John has said any number of things over the years suggesting he gets along well and easily with her. Even allowing for Christine's opinion to be neutral on who she prefers to spend her remaining years on the road with, Stevie is edging Lindsey in an intra-band popularity contest.

Honestly, I'm only surprised it took this long for someone to get fired from this petty, mixed-up band. And while I'm inclined to think the problem may have started with a touring disagreement that escalated into a clash of personalities that couldn't stand to be together any longer...I really am not at all surprised that if one person is out, that person is Lindsey.

From both a financial and a personal aspect, if one was going to be out...it seems like Lindsey was always going to be that one.

[NotonRodeo]

Easy decision for me, since they're coming nowhere near where I now live I won't be able to go anyway I did get to see the Vito/Burnette version of FMac in Houston, and let's just say it wasn't the most memorable moment in my life and put me off watching any more concerts All I remember is Chris doing Brown Eyes. Then again, during the Unleashed (?) tour the Mac were in Vancouver and I could have attended but didn't. For me it's the Rumours 5, otherwise I won't bother to pay up even if they did come.

[BLY]

My brother and I are huge Crowded House/ Finn fans. That's what makes this even more strange to me. My bro tells me we will see this show together when they come to the Philly/ DC area. If I go I'm sure i will enjoy but .......... I'm so glad I saw the Buck/McVie show and got that "Fleetwood Mac" album last year.😎

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by MaryLiz2

Exactly. While I still believe it's speculation that Lindsey was fired because of Stevie's wishes. There are four people still left in the band, and after putting up with the awkward dynamic between themselves for the better part of four decades to think that three of the four remaining members bowed to the whims of just one is a stretch for me. Regadless, I don't know why firing both would be necessary or that when it comes to the business decisions of five aging millionaires the reasoning needs to be "fair."

Even it it was all Stevie being "it's him or me," why would the rest of the band be "Forget it, it's both of you"? Regardless of anyone on this board's personal feelings on the matter, Stevie has been and remains the biggest draw for the band among the general concert-going public. If it all comes down to money, the band isn't going to toss the biggest contributor to the bottom line. Beyond the financial aspect, there's no denying that Mick gets along with Stevie better on a personal level. Whatever posters here may think of Stevie and her diva-ness, evidence suggests that within the context of the band Lindsey has historically been the outsider. I mean, she and Mick are always showing up at things together and John has said any number of things over the years suggesting he gets along well and easily with her. Even allowing for Christine's opinion to be neutral on who she prefers to spend her remaining years on the road with, Stevie is edging Lindsey in an intra-band popularity contest.

Honestly, I'm only surprised it took this long for someone to get fired from this petty, mixed-up band. And while I'm inclined to think the problem may have started with a touring disagreement that escalated into a clash of personalities that couldn't stand to be together any longer...I really am not at all surprised that if one person is out, that person is Lindsey.

From both a financial and a personal aspect, if one was going to be out...it seems like Lindsey was always going to be that one.

The thing is, if they'd given Stevie the boot several years ago they could have been a proper band now. They could have created and released a couple of albums and could have been a proper album/tour/album/tour band. They could have even replaced Stevie with a notable female vocalist. Instead, we get no new 'official' Fleetwood Mac music and we are likely to get a lame tour which seems destined to be the last. Stevie does her couple of years on, three years off thing so after this tour its likely she'll have no further interest in FM for another few years which in all likelihood will be the end anyway. I bet if they'd given Stevie the boot a couple of years ago Lindsey would have been fully committed to the band now. Overall Mick would have probably been better off as he'd be more assured of a steady job/income.

[mitzo]

I predict a new FM album with the new lineup after the tour.

[TrueFaith77]

Originally Posted by mitzo

I predict a new FM album with the new lineup after the tour.

I agree. The temptation to rub THAT in Lindsey’s face will be just too great.

[BLY]

Originally Posted by mitzo

I predict a new FM album with the new lineup after the tour.

Not going to happen.

[Ench]

Originally Posted by mitzo

I predict a new FM album with the new lineup after the tour.

Unlike others (not mitzo), I don't think that FM is behaving like a two year old and doing things just out of spite.

However, in both Mike Campbell and Neil Finn, they have taken on people who could play a major songwriting role in a new album. Campbell has written quite a number of songs with Stevie, and Finn has a very good reputation as a songwriter. Then there's Christine of course.

Dave Stewart might be a good fit in the producer's chair.

If they did want to record another album, then they're much better set for that, in my opinion, than they were in 1987-1990.

[elle]

Originally Posted by MaryLiz2

Even it it was all Stevie being "it's him or me," why would the rest of the band be "Forget it, it's both of you"? .

we are just following your argument. that's the logical conclusion - if their dynamic, airing of which brought them all that huge success in the first place, has become too disruptive for any semblance of a work dynamic in the band, then firing both would make sense.

that's what you are arguing for, but then you somehow conclude that firing Lindsey is good enough.

[MaryLiz2]

Originally Posted by elle

we are just following your argument. that's the logical conclusion - if their dynamic, airing of which brought them all that huge success in the first place, has become too disruptive for any semblance of a work dynamic in the band, then firing both would make sense.

that's what you are arguing for, but then you somehow conclude that firing Lindsey is good enough.

That's not following my argument to its logical conclusion though. If the problem was that Stevie and Lindsey can't get along and no longer wish to try and that their lack of getting along makes touring miserable for all five of them, you don't need to get rid of both to solve the problem.

Remove one and harmony returns. My natural conclusion is that if you're going to remove one...it's not going to be Stevie Nicks.

[sue]

Originally Posted by MaryLiz2

That's not following my argument to its logical conclusion though. If the problem was that Stevie and Lindsey can't get along and no longer wish to try and that their lack of getting along makes touring miserable for all five of them, you don't need to get rid of both to solve the problem.

Remove one and harmony returns. My natural conclusion is that if you're going to remove one...it's not going to be Stevie Nicks.

Liking your logic, here.....