After 12 plus years. Excited to hear Christine McVie

[nicepace]

I wish we could have a thread to talk about the McBuck project without every second post bringing up Stevie. I am really excited about the McBuck project and I want to read people's thoughts about it, in a positive way. I just get annoyed when Stevie fans keep bringing her into the discussion. Can't they just go off on their own somewhere else and talk about Stevie, if that's all they care about?

By the way, just because John McVie and Mick Fleetwood are the rhythm section on a song, it doesn't necessarily make it a Fleetwood Mac song. If it did, Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London" would be credited to Fleetwood Mac Featuring Warren Zevon.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by nicepace

By the way, just because John McVie and Mick Fleetwood are the rhythm section on a song, it doesn't necessarily make it a Fleetwood Mac song. If it did, Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London" would be credited to Fleetwood Mac Featuring Warren Zevon.

Warren Zevon wasn't in Fleetwood Mac. Christine and Lindsey were/are.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Warren Zevon wasn't in Fleetwood Mac. Christine and Lindsey were/are.

True, but it makes no difference if the project is a "duet" album. And from what I hear, they chose not to tour. Mick has his own projects going on, and I'm haven't heard what John is doing.

The point is, if it morphed into a duet album and Mick and John didn't want to be a part of that, than what's wrong with calling it a duet album, or Buckingham/McVie? Otherwise, the could have called it Fleetwood Quartet.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

True, but it makes no difference if the project is a "duet" album. And from what I hear, they chose not to tour. Mick has his own projects going on, and I'm haven't heard what John is doing.

The point is, if it morphed into a duet album and Mick and John didn't want to be a part of that, than what's wrong with calling it a duet album, or Buckingham/McVie? Otherwise, the could have called it Fleetwood Quartet.

Lindsey started this five years ago with Mick and John, with the intention of Stevie doing exactly what Christine ended up doing, with the intention of releasing it as Fleetwood Mac. It's no more a duets album now than was conceived five years ago.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Lindsey started this five years ago with Mick and John, with the intention of Stevie doing exactly what Christine ended up doing, with the intention of releasing it as Fleetwood Mac. It's no more a duets album now than was conceived five years ago.

really, why? a project can't morph?

if we apply your logic, then Destiny Rules is not a FM album, but a Lindsey solo album.

You (nor I or anyone else here) don't know how the concept let alone the individual songs themselves have changed since that original conception several years ago.

You can start a project thinking it will be one thing, and have it take a completely different path. There are plenty of things they can do without Stevie that they could not do with Stevie (who sings what and how for just one) that they now can do and may have chosen to do, which makes the music different from what it might have been if SN had been involved.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

really, why? a project can't morph?

if we apply your logic, then Destiny Rules is not a FM album, but a Lindsey solo album.

Things can morph, and GoS certainly morphed into SYW. However, I think, from the outset, that Lindsey went into GoS with the idea of doing something that could morph into a Fleetwood Mac album if needed. There were a lot of changes at the label starting in 1994 that didn't bode well for Lindsey as a solo artist or Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey and Stevie.

You (nor I or anyone else here) don't know how the concept let alone the individual songs themselves have changed since that original conception several years ago.

But, we all know that if Stevie came to them in December with two or three songs, we'd be looking at a new Fleetwood Mac release, so the point is moot. But, Christine and Lindsey have a long history of collaboration within the context of Fleetwood Mac, and to suddenly say that this is something different, especially with Mick and John on the album, seems a little disingenuous.

You can start a project thinking it will be one thing, and have it take a completely different path. There are plenty of things they can do without Stevie that they could not do with Stevie (who sings what and how for just one) that they now can do and may have chosen to do, which makes the music different from what it might have been if SN had been involved.

It doesn't change the fact that they made the album as Fleetwood Mac, but changed the name of the band as a logistical, if not political move.

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

True, but it makes no difference if the project is a "duet" album.

The intention was for it to be a Fleetwood Mac album the entire time they were recording it. It's only now a duets album because old what's her name decided not to contribute to it. If she had given them two songs in December, it would have gone from being called Buckingham McVie back to being called Fleetwood Mac.

And from what I hear, they chose not to tour.

I could think of a lot of reasons why they won't do the tour, since it's not being billed as Fleetwood Mac. I suspect there's a financial element to the tour that Mick and John don't want to get involved with.

The point is, if it morphed into a duet album and Mick and John didn't want to be a part of that, than what's wrong with calling it a duet album, or Buckingham/McVie? Otherwise, the could have called it Fleetwood Quartet.

Again, I suspect there are financial and political reasons for the decision to forego the Fleetwood Mac name, but let's not kid ourselves. It was always a Fleetwood Mac album.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

......but let's not kid ourselves. It was always a Fleetwood Mac album.

Excellent post. I couldn''t agree more.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Lindsey started this five years ago with Mick and John, with the intention of Stevie doing exactly what Christine ended up doing, with the intention of releasing it as Fleetwood Mac. It's no more a duets album now than was conceived five years ago.

I'm reading and hearing the music morphed into something that it became clear the material they worked on together informed them this would be a great duet project. And then outside circumstances happened that were coincidentally pushing it that way, too. (like SN, not wanting to be a part of it)


For example, one of the songs LB worked on w/ Mick and John, was an instrumental that Christine took and wrote the lyrics and the melody. And things like that continued to happen during the 2014 sessions.

Fleetwood Mac material has a way of finding a home no matter what. Lots of times it's the other way around.. solo >>>> FMac.

I'm eager to hear what the final product is. Hopefully, more info will be forthcoming.

[elle]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I'm reading and hearing the music morphed into something that it became clear the material they worked on together informed them this would be a great duet project. And then outside circumstances happened that were coincidentally pushing it that way, too. (like SN, not wanting to be a part of it)


For example, one of the songs LB worked on w/ Mick and John, was an instrumental that Christine took and wrote the lyrics and the melody. And things like that continued to happen during the 2014 sessions.

Fleetwood Mac material has a way of finding a home no matter what. Lots of times it's the other way around.. solo >>>> FMac.

I'm eager to hear what the final product is. Hopefully, more info will be forthcoming.

i think all these posts above list nice justifications. and maybe they really changed it all when they went to finish the album at the end of last year.

but you know what? in 2014, when they composed and recorded those 7 songs together, it was gonna be a Fleetwood Mac album. the whole 2014-15 tour they were trying to talk Stevie into joining and adding her parts. in 2016 Stevie was saying they have all this material recorded and she will join and it will be a great FM album. then at some point she definitely decided not to and they decided to finish it and put it out without her.

they can backtrack now all they want to make it sound all planned. i have to assume they finished the songs in a different way than they would have if there was 5 and not 4 of them. but let's not pretend it is not a Fleetwood Mac album. it is. just by a different name, so that Stevie can still be in Fleetwood Mac and tour with them in 2018.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm not saying it didn't start that way. But, if you've ever been in a studio or recorded: thingss change and things happen. For now, I'm going to buy that it morphed into something special for the two of them. And I'm glad that it's not being called Fleetwood Mac.

sue me!

Now go listen to Tango In The Night and Trouble.

[elle]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

There are plenty of things they can do without Stevie that they could not do with Stevie (who sings what and how for just one) that they now can do and may have chosen to do, which makes the music different from what it might have been if SN had been involved.

good points - now you are making me even more curious - can't wait! and they can have different keys too, more suited to their 2 voices vs SN's.

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Fleetwood Mac material has a way of finding a home no matter what. Lots of times it's the other way around.. solo >>>> FMac.

ha - true! for once (or twice, considering there will be a LB solo album at the end of the year too!) FM project(s) turned into duets and solo instead of the other way around!