Has Stevie's decision to not record new FM album affected the way you feel about her?

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by elle

that's a lot of ifs!

i have no clue what potential are you talking about. Tango actually turned out much better than one would expect considering the circumstances (although i personally don't care too much for it), and that's really on the strength of Christine's collection of songs that became huge hits. I would expect that Lindsey and Christine together, nowadays, based on the strength of Lindsey's most recent songwriting, and expectations that Christine still has the same songwriting knack she always did, have created an album that is much stronger than Tango (and will of course sell 1/100000000 of what Tango did, but will stay as band's statement of artistic integrity for posterity).

Yes, that was the point, Tango turned better then you'd expect given the curcumstances but then that means that it could have been even much better; obviously there were good hits but I also don't care for some songs but I'm talking about albums as a whole and I think a good album should be organic and all the songs should be of good level, in contrast to an album that has just two or three hits and then the rest is fillers. That is artistic integrity for posterity in my opinion. If this is achieved with or without Stevie honestly I don't care much if this is what they all want.

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Well Lindsey's and Christine's songs matter. Screw Stevie. Maybe all the songs will great if she doesn't contribute.

They're the only one that matter if they're also the only songwriters present in the album.

Originally Posted by elle

2011 is IYD, right? there is no new music written by SN on that album. i'm guessing her last new music was on SYW. and unlike Christine and Lindsey who happily jumped into collaborating and co-writing, Stevie seems weary of trying that with either one of them.

It depends on what you mean by new music written. The music was really all written by Dave Stewart. The lyrics were in most cases either partially old and partially new or short poems that were put together and turned into songs during the making of the album. Only Secret Love and Annabel Lee were truly very old songs in In Your Dreams, the rest is all music produced after her previous album.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

It depends on what you mean by new music written. The music was really all written by Dave Stewart. The lyrics were in most cases either partially old and partially new or short poems that were put together and turned into songs during the making of the album. Only Secret Love and Annabel Lee were truly very old songs in In Your Dreams, the rest is all music produced after her previous album.

yes, that's what i mean.

all new music was written by Dave Stewart, so we didn't get any new music written by Stevie in 2011.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by elle

yes, that's what i mean.

all new music was written by Dave Stewart, so we didn't get any new music written by Stevie in 2011.

Well, then it she didn't write music even on Say You Will since she doesn't really write music ever in that way I meant. The lyrics and melodies were hers.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Well, then it she didn't write music even on Say You Will since she doesn't really write music ever in that way I meant. The lyrics and melodies were hers.

I hate when she plays piano. I cringe.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I hate when she plays piano. I cringe.

she used to be okay... listen to her playing on her demo of Sisters of the Moon... but I think she got lazy.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I hate when she plays piano. I cringe.

OMG, it's awful. So embarrassing!

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

OMG, it's awful. So embarrassing!

Come on. She doesn't play piano. She plays around with some basic chords just to find a basic melody and phrasing of her poems while reciting them. That is how she writes songs. And she once wrote classic songs that way. Don't judge her on her instrument-skills. I think it is extraordinary that you can write so beautiful without ANY musicianskills. She is unique BECAUSE of that.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Come on. She doesn't play piano. She plays around with some basic chords just to find a basic melody and phrasing of her poems while reciting them. That is how she writes songs. And she once wrote classic songs that way. Don't judge her on her instrument-skills. I think it is extraordinary that you can write so beautiful without ANY musicianskills. She is unique BECAUSE of that.

I hear you. But what's cringeworthy is that she has played the piano for audiences with the expectation of applause and it's really not good. It doesn't even reach the level of competent. Yes, she is (or was) a GREAT songwriter who accomplished a lot not only in spite of but perhaps because of her musical limitations, but that doesn't mean her playing is acceptable in a concert or performance setting.

[secret love]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Come on. She doesn't play piano. She plays around with some basic chords just to find a basic melody and phrasing of her poems while reciting them. That is how she writes songs. And she once wrote classic songs that way. Don't judge her on her instrument-skills. I think it is extraordinary that you can write so beautiful without ANY musicianskills. She is unique BECAUSE of that.

She does play piano. I think so anyway.

I write songs and I write the same way she does. I choose four chords for the bass part, I work out the rhythm I want the lyrics to take and I write the notes I'm going to sing, play them while singing along ...lastly I write the treble accompaniment...all on keyboard or piano.

Listen to this and tell me she can't play!

[secret love]

I remember complaining to my dad once about Stevie's non-participation in the new album.

He said how old is she. I said "68" and Dad basically said, at that age, with that many millions of dollars, you can do whatever the **** you want.

And it's true.

Stevie has been trotting out a speech at her shows (I went to Sacramento) on how everyone should just do whatever it is they want to do (like tour with Pretenders and sabotage the swang song of Fleetwood Mac).

Let's face it, much as when Christine rejoined I fully expected a new album to be released by now, given Stevie's excitement about her friend's return, it's just never going to happen.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Well, then it she didn't write music even on Say You Will since she doesn't really write music ever in that way I meant. The lyrics and melodies were hers.

new melodies on IYD were hers?

i believe there were new melodies on SYW written by her. her new songs there were not cowrites, she was the sole songwriter. i'm not talking about arrangements, or lyrics.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by elle

new melodies on IYD were hers?

i believe there were new melodies on SYW written by her. her new songs there were not cowrites, she was the sole songwriter. i'm not talking about arrangements, or lyrics.

But not all the "new" In Your Dreams songs were cowritten with Dave.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

But not all the "new" In Your Dreams songs were cowritten with Dave.

you are funny! yes, they were co-written by either Dave, or Neale, or Mike Campbell, despite of you stating:

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

The music was really all written by Dave Stewart. The lyrics were in most cases either partially old and partially new or short poems that were put together and turned into songs during the making of the album. Only Secret Love and Annabel Lee were truly very old songs in In Your Dreams, the rest is all music produced after her previous album.

we keep having this same discussion over and over again when someone new joins here, or someone old forgets. in recent threads it looked like it was pretty much accepted fact that SN hasn't written any new music / melody / whatever you want to call it since i guess SYW.

Originally Posted by shackin'up

I simply do not understand the fact that typing up facts about the four recording and cowriting FMtracks and one explicitly not participating is regarded as bashing or slamming the one.

i know!!!!!

guess we are living in post-factual world.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Well, then it she didn't write music even on Say You Will since she doesn't really write music ever in that way I meant. The lyrics and melodies were hers.

Oh stop it! They don't need her. It could be a 5 star album without her.

[BLY]

If they record the album with the 4 it will be " reviewed " like SYW. Great album but missing Stevie Nicks's.... (filling in the blank). I Love Say You Will and I'm sure I will love the new album if it's released with just the 4 but it will be missing a link.