Still think Stevie is going to do the FM album?

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

I think Lindsey will be co-producer on anything the bands works on. He's not going to sit on the sidelines. Just not who he is.

If this is one of Stevie's sticking points and she wants "Team Stevie" to produce her songs without Lb being involved with production and Mick wants Stevie's songs on the record LB may very well be asked to "sit this one out" and if LB is refusing it could be why Mick is babbling about putting the songs they already have on one of LB's solo records. Makes you wonder if LB has issued Mick an ultimatum.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

If this is one of Stevie's sticking points and she wants "Team Stevie" to produce her songs without Lb being involved with production and Mick wants Stevie's songs on the record LB may very well be asked to "sit this one out" and if LB is refusing it could be why Mick is babbling about putting the songs they already have on one of LB's solo records. Makes you wonder if LB has issued Mick an ultimatum.

I doubt he'd be "sitting it out" on any Mac album. He's clearly been working not only his own songs but Christine's as well, much to her delight. She's been absolutely fine with him "taking liberties" as he put it with her music. I"m sure he's become sensitized to working-over another writer's songs through working with Stevie. But Chris clearly wants his fingerprints all over her songs

So by virtue of him controlling the sound of his own material, and his having gotten full permission to go full steam ahead on Christine's, he'll have a huge influence on whatever they put out. That's 2/3 at least of any FM album. He won't be sitting anything out.

If Stevie wants her music produced and arranged by someone other than Lindsey, he seems willing to play along with that. He's realized it might be a blessing in disguise, getting him out of the hot seat if she doesn't like the outcome. He would (and the band together) work with whoever produces Stevie's material and whoever mixes the album to make sure they feel it has some sense of coherence or at least isn't a total Frankenstein,bolted together album.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I doubt he'd be "sitting it out" on any Mac album. He's clearly been working not only his own songs but Christine's as well, much to her delight. She's been absolutely fine with him "taking liberties" as he put it with her music. I"m sure he's become sensitized to working-over another writer's songs through working with Stevie. But Chris clearly wants his fingerprints all over her songs.

This is because Christine is always working towards the service of the songs. She knows her boundaries as a musician and performer and doesn't try to overreach. Instead, she welcomes collaboration and sparks off of others' ideas.

Stevie may enjoy collaboration with David Stewart but certainly cannot work in this intimate way with Lindsey anymore. I think the root of this incompatibility is that working with Lindsey makes her feel dependent and inferior. Whereas Christine is always on the lookout for a musical companion (she did great work with her nephew, Bob Welch, Todd Sharp, Danny Kirwan, Billy Burnette and others) and is eager to reach new heights through collaboration, Stevie is all about preserving her vision. Unfortunately, she is not an accomplished musician and cannot really work without the aid of a producer.

[SteveMacD]

WGAF about the Eurythmics? Fleetwood Mac is their own band.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

This is because Christine is always working towards the service of the songs. She knows her boundaries as a musician and performer and doesn't try to overreach. Instead, she welcomes collaboration and sparks off of others' ideas.

Stevie may enjoy collaboration with David Stewart but certainly cannot work in this intimate way with Lindsey anymore. I think the root of this incompatibility is that working with Lindsey makes her feel dependent and inferior. Whereas Christine is always on the lookout for a musical companion (she did great work with her nephew, Bob Welch, Todd Sharp, Danny Kirwan, Billy Burnette and others) and is eager to reach new heights through collaboration, Stevie is all about preserving her vision. Unfortunately, she is not an accomplished musician and cannot really work without the aid of a producer.

Because when LB helps Christine she helps him right back. She can collaborate on the chords, or the melody that can go with these chords, or the lyrics, she can even arrange and/or produce. Further, she can create her own riffs.

With Stevie, she has two or three chords and lyrics and sings them and says, "I need guitar, piano, bass and drums arranged for these. It's a lot of work from the raw material.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Because when LB helps Christine she helps him right back. She can collaborate on the chords, or the melody that can go with these chords, or the lyrics, she can even arrange and/or produce. Further, she can create her own riffs.

True! And her harmonic vocabulary is pretty rich. Coming from the blues, she brings a whole other dimension to the music. Without her, Fleetwood Mac may still possess vitality, which is fun to listen to and watch, but they lack a certain musical sophistication that one hears even before LB and SN joined--that bluesy, jazz-inflected pop one can hear on Bad Loser, Prove Your Love, the underlining chords of Remember Me, her reading of Welch's Keep on Going...all of this is indispensable stuff in the overall mix of the Rumours lineup, not only with her songs but with her contributions on the others' tunes. Her keyboards on Dreams for instance are essential to the texture of the tune--and clearly her conception. Her background vocals on that tune, as well as a number of others, pitches the music into another territory beyond Eagles rock. Lindsey may be the resident "genius" but she is equally responsible for the band's unique musical quality.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

True! And her harmonic vocabulary is pretty rich. Coming from the blues, she brings a whole other dimension to the music. Without her, Fleetwood Mac may still possess vitality, which is fun to listen to and watch, but they lack a certain musical sophistication that one hears even before LB and SN joined--that bluesy, jazz-inflected pop one can hear on Bad Loser, Prove Your Love, the underlining chords of Remember Me, her reading of Welch's Keep on Going...all of this is indispensable stuff in the overall mix of the Rumours lineup, not only with her songs but with her contributions on the others' tunes. Her keyboards on Dreams for instance are essential to the texture of the tune--and clearly her conception. Her background vocals on that tune, as well as a number of others, pitches the music into another territory beyond Eagles rock. Lindsey may be the resident "genius" but she is equally responsible for the band's unique musical quality.

The keyboard solo at the end of Crystal, for example, gives the song a completely different dimension. As Lindsey sings, "To the sea..ee..ee.." She does a call/response which reminds me of the waves of the sea crashing in and out...

Come to find out, Christine said she was living with John in Malibu in a flat right on the coast. She was actually near the ocean a lot. I truly believe that it creeped it's way into that album. I can hear it in a few places. Even the car horn in Sugar Daddy reminds me of her making her way back to LA in her convertable.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

The keyboard solo at the end of Crystal, for example, gives the song a completely different dimension. As Lindsey sings, "To the sea..ee..ee.." She does a call/response which reminds me of the waves of the sea crashing in and out...

Come to find out, Christine said she was living with John in Malibu in a flat right on the coast. She was actually near the ocean a lot. I truly believe that it creeped it's way into that album. I can hear it in a few places. Even the car horn in Sugar Daddy reminds me of her making her way back to LA in her convertable.

Oh my god, how could I have forgotten the organ solo in Crystal! Stevie has said the band taped Christine soloing on that instrument for hours and used various parts. I would love to hear more of those parts.

[teedeerocks]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

This is because Christine is always working towards the service of the songs. She knows her boundaries as a musician and performer and doesn't try to overreach. Instead, she welcomes collaboration and sparks off of others' ideas.

Stevie may enjoy collaboration with David Stewart but certainly cannot work in this intimate way with Lindsey anymore.

Whereas Christine is always on the lookout for a musical companion (she did great work with her nephew, Bob Welch, Todd Sharp, Danny Kirwan, Billy Burnette and others) and is eager to reach new heights through collaboration, Stevie is all about preserving her vision. Unfortunately, she is not an accomplished musician and cannot really work without the aid of a producer.

Taking it a step further,I think Stevie wants to be even beyond equal -she needs to be superior to all involved,the "Head Honcho" if you will.At best I think Bucky could make her feel equal,but never superior(even pretending-she knows him too well).With DS,he is basically a doormat to her every whim without fear of repercussions.That way she can have her cake and eat it too.And that cake was so sweet the first time that she went back for seconds and will probably go for thirds or more.The evidence lies in the IYD documentary IMO.She did say that was "the best year of my life".

[Macfanforever]

If Lindsey gets out of hand with Chris.Chris will get pissed off and throw a full glass of something at him.LOL..........That will cool him down.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

If Lindsey gets out of hand with Chris.Chris will get pissed off and throw a full glass of something at him.LOL..........That will cool him down.

That was one of Lindsey's stipulations for Christine returning to the band. She had to agree never to toss drinks in his face ever again. She agreed and said she'd douse Mick instead, if she felt the need to.

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by vivfox

That was one of Lindsey's stipulations for Christine returning to the band. She had to agree never to toss drinks in his face ever again. She agreed and said she'd douse Mick instead, if she felt the need to.

Hahahahahaaha.That was funny .Poor Mick.If Stevie was also into it .Poor Mick will be drowning.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

If Lindsey gets out of hand with Chris.Chris will get pissed off and throw a full glass of something at him.LOL..........That will cool him down.

Lindsey doesn't get out of hand with Chris. With Stevie, yeah, but Chris will throw that drink in his face then....

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

If Lindsey gets out of hand with Chris.Chris will get pissed off and throw a full glass of something at him.LOL..........That will cool him down.

At Christine's age it will probably be a glass of Metamucil or Ensure.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

At Christine's age it will probably be a glass of Metamucil or Ensure.

Prune juice