Stevie Nicks says relationship with ex Lindsey Buckingham remains tense

[elle]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

wait, what happened to the lovey-dovey never-been-better we-sat-and-talked-and-hashed-it-all-out bull we were getting before Chris returned?? Was that all just…..marketing???

well, now all of the sudden their relationship was always the same, always antagonistic, never changed... makes you wonder what other stuff said in these interviews is complete fiction.

[bethelblues]

Stevie's won two Grammys?? I just thought Album of the Year for Rumours.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by elle

well, now all of the sudden their relationship was always the same, always antagonistic, never changed... makes you wonder what other stuff said in these interviews is complete fiction.

Hmm, maybe the part about him singing like an angel.

[elle]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Hmm, maybe the part about him singing like an angel.

sure. and how about oh i don't know?? tons of other stuff!! sifting through these interviews to try understand what's actually going on with this practically biggest touring band nowadays is not really helpful.

i scanned that RS interview and was amazed at all the regurgitating of every single FM legendary thousand-times told story and practically nothing new. she was not promoting any new product (or her solo career, really). why was she interviewed exactly?

when Mick had similar RS interview he was announcing the end of FM... what was she announcing? that Christine came back and therefore they could sell out twice over all the same venues they couldn't last year and yet Christine is just a supporting character in this interview somehow. why? why was Christine not the one interviewed?

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by elle

sure. and how about oh i don't know?? tons of other stuff!! sifting through these interviews to try understand what's actually going on with this practically biggest touring band nowadays is not really helpful.

i scanned that RS interview and was amazed at all the regurgitating of every single FM legendary thousand-times told story and practically nothing new. she was not promoting any new product (or her solo career, really). why was she interviewed exactly?

when Mick had similar RS interview he was announcing the end of FM... what was she announcing? that Christine came back and therefore they could sell out twice over all the same venues they couldn't last year and yet Christine is just a supporting character in this interview somehow. why? why was Christine not the one interviewed?

It wasn't to announce anything. It wasn't to promote anything in particular, really, except HER. It's part of trying to build a certain legacy for herself, I believe.

And not 'sure'. One thing she's always been consistent on is that she truly believed and believes in Lindsey's talent. She used to make tapes of his guitar parts to do ballet to, lol.

"I love Lindsey. I love him very, very much and I wanted Lindsey to make it and I wanted this album to be as successful as…If this album is more successful than my album, I would be so glad. You know, when "Trouble" (the single from Buckingham’s LP) came out, I was saying, let it go straight to the top. Because it only makes my life easier when Lindsey is happy. ‘Cause when Lindsey is happy, he’s really in a good humor and he’s wonderful and he and I really get along and we’re close. For me, when you love somebody, you want them to be the best."

[Stevie Nicks, 1982]

"Because by that time [when Buckingham Nicks was dropped] I was to the point where… You know, I’m very loyal and I certainly was Lindsey’s biggest fan and I thought he was the greatest guitar player in the world and had the most beautiful voice. He’s one of those people that I walked into the room once and he sat there and played a song and it was room’s on fire. He’s one of those. He’s one of those men.

And whatever I had to do to keep him going was okay because it was more important to me that Lindsey make it than it was that I made it. Because I knew that I could do a hundred other things and no one could ever take my music away from me. I could still write songs and play and I could take my music in whatever I did. I would be fine; I knew that.

I worried about him. I didn’t know what he would do and because I was so in love with him there wasn’t any - there was no question. There was never a question in my mind that I would stick in there until, if we didn’t both make it, at least I got him up there. And when you love somebody and you see the pain in their face when they even consider the fact that you might not make it, it’s like “don’t even consider the fact that we’re not going to make it; we are”. And in my heart I’m saying to myself “If I have to, y’know, if I have to comb this town, I will find somebody to listen to us, that we understand how good we are, that will at least know how good he is.”

[Stevie Nicks, 2011]

[elle]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Or maybe the assumption that it's the 'we're getting along' is the PR 'lie' rather than the 'we're not getting along' isn't 100% correct...

that's exactly my point - either story may or may not be correct. it's all just huge buckets of melodrama (that i don't really get why we need to know or care about, as long as the music is good and moving forward).

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Say what you want about, Stevie Nicks (and mgmt).. but the girl is a marketing genius. And I am dead serious about that. These people lap it up like a soap opera. She knows how to sell herself and she commits to her stories, her music and her marketing.. I seriously think the woman is smarter than all of them.

.... Now stay tuned for............ As The World Turnings.... and The Macs of Our Lives....

agree.

Originally Posted by nicole21290

It wasn't to announce anything. It wasn't to promote anything in particular, really, except HER. It's part of trying to build a certain legacy for herself, I believe.

thank you for that. exactly my conclusion when i looked through that article, but i thought that was just my bias.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by elle

well, now all of the sudden their relationship was always the same, always antagonistic, never changed... makes you wonder what other stuff said in these interviews is complete fiction.

Or maybe 'we sat down and talked and forgave each other and things are better than ever' and 'we still antagonise one another and have arguments' just aren't as mutually exclusive as you seem to think...

Or maybe the assumption that it's the 'we're getting along' is the PR 'lie' rather than the 'we're not getting along' isn't 100% correct...

Or maybe she focuses on different elements of the relationship (positive/negative) depending on her mood, the interviewer, the publication, the time, and neither of those elements is their relationship in totality...

The 'being able to push one another buttons' is just ONE of the consistent things in the 'we never change' spiel she gives A LOT.

"In many, many ways, Lindsey and I are still the same people that we were when we met at 16 and 17. There’s a part of our relationship that remains unchanged. It doesn’t matter that he’s married with kids. It doesn’t matter what my life is. When we’re together we can still be incredibly teenage."

"My relationship with Lindsey is pretty much the pivotal one in my life… Meeting him was my destiny… It doesn’t matter whether the other person has married or had children. What matters are the things you experienced together."

"It was the same when we were 16 and 17 as it is now that we’re 63 and 64. We’re exactly the same people."

"He’s found a good, happy, calm, safe place — but who Lindsey and I are to each other will never change.”

"It’s still the same fire, oh yeah, because Lindsey and I, you know, we have that everlasting love affair, that though, he’s married and has 3 children, can you believe that, he has 3 children - and he is a total dad, you know, he has been taking little girls to ballet lessons - but we still have that dynamic, that just is, that just exists, and will still be existing when we are 90 years old."

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

well, now all of the sudden their relationship was always the same, always antagonistic, never changed... makes you wonder what other stuff said in these interviews is complete fiction.

Hmmmm??? I'm so confused?? I thought they were really still loved each other and the whole "Lindsey getting married thing and having kids" it was all a front.

Say what you want about, Stevie Nicks (and mgmt).. but the girl is a marketing genius. And I am dead serious about that. These people lap it up like a soap opera. She knows how to sell herself and she commits to her stories, her music and her marketing.. I seriously think the woman is smarter than all of them.

.... Now stay tuned for............ As The World Turnings.... and The Macs of Our Lives....

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Hmmmm??? I'm so confused?? I thought they were really still loved each other and the whole "Lindsey getting married thing and having kids" it was all a front.

I'm sorry but HOW is still loving each other incompatible with “He and I will always be anatagonizing to each other, and we will always do things that will irritate each other, and we really know how to push each other’s buttons."

She's said this kind of thing forever.

"We tangle a lot, but we love each other. We’ll always love each other. He and I will never get away from the fact that we were as one for so many years." [1982]

Saying they argue does NOT negate love. In fact, she often talks about them both together.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

I'm sorry but HOW is still loving each other incompatible with “He and I will always be anatagonizing to each other, and we will always do things that will irritate each other, and we really know how to push each other’s buttons."

She's said this kind of thing forever.

"We tangle a lot, but we love each other. We’ll always love each other. He and I will never get away from the fact that we were as one for so many years." [1982]

Saying they argue does NOT negate love. In fact, she often talks about them both together.

It's sarcasm.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It's sarcasm.

I do understand that you're sarcastic and it's a gentle mocking. The point stands. Nobody is spinning elaborate theories here about the family being a front, for goodness' sake. Just pointing out that her saying they argue now is nothing new, and doesn't negate any other kind of emotion, including love, thus meaning past interviews, which claim that, aren't automatically just lying PR. That's all.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

I do understand that you're sarcastic and it's a gentle mocking. The point stands. Nobody is spinning elaborate theories here about the family being a front, for goodness' sake. Just pointing out that her saying they argue now is nothing new, and doesn't negate any other kind of emotion, including love, thus meaning past interviews, which claim that, aren't automatically just lying PR. That's all.

I appreciate you think that. And I'm glad you get me because at the end of the day we are all fans. (and for the record, I wasn't mocking you, Nicole)

But in my opinion, she's a fantastic marketer and their relationship is staged for the benefit of the soap opera. You can post a million pictures, (and I love your gifs and pics.) but they will never convince me that it's nothing but staged. They love writing about each other because they are good at it and the fans love it. I'm just a fan of the band and the music and I'm certainly in the minority. But I've been following this band long enough to realize they set up a lot of PR that works for them..

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I appreciate you think that. And I'm glad you get me because at the end of the day we are all fans. (and for the record, I wasn't mocking you, Nicole)

But in my opinion, she's a fantastic marketer and their relationship is staged for the benefit of the soap opera. You can post a million pictures, (and I love your gifs and pics.) but they will never convince me that it's nothing but staged. They love writing about each other because they are good at it and the fans love it. I'm just a fan of the band and the music and I'm certainly in the minority. But I've been following this band long enough to realize they set up a lot of PR that works for them..

I agree that she's a fantastic marketer and that there are parts of the relationship staged or portrayed in a certain way to prolong the image of the soap opera for the public eye. A lot of the time it's dull to me as well, rehashing the same old thing. And well, they're not going to do PR that doesn't work for them, are they? We just disagree on the purpose of the PR and what is true behind it, I think.

Questions:
1. Crying onstage, obviously emotional choking up, one off 'I love you's, etc - staged and not real?
2. Nights when they don't or barely interact - staged and not real?
3. Embracing in the dark - staged and not real?
4. Songs they reveal YEARS later to be about the other - written about the other, or lied about years later?
5. Differences in length of hugs, type of hand clasp, etc - actually decided upon before every show or natural evolution from a lesser planned action?
6. Does 'planning' or 'staging' an interaction mean what it indicates (affection, enjoyment of each other, etc) is 'fake'?
7. Hanging out with each other away from press, or seeing the other at a solo concert, and playing down that element of the r'ship - how does that fit in?
8. Is the sentiment in songs about each other false and just for 'shippers' (if they bother to notice)? How does that fit when lyrics are straight from S's diaries or Lindsey explains their concrete origin, for example?
9. Doesn't their constant 'it doesn't go beyond the stage'/'it's not necessarily reality' talk completely NEGATE their purpose in giving other quotes and actions for shippers?

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by elle

well, now all of the sudden their relationship was always the same, always antagonistic, never changed... makes you wonder what other stuff said in these interviews is complete fiction.

what I can't get over is the writer talks about his attributes like his cheekbones, and never once mentions those blue eyes!!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

what I can't get over is the writer talks about his attributes like his cheekbones, and never once mentions those blue eyes!!

She even wrote a song about his blue eyes!!