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[Montclare]

Originally Posted by elle

here's the video -

Was this before or after Ken wrote his book?

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by Montclare

Was this before or after Ken wrote his book?

This award ceremony must have been early 2011. I think Making Rumours came out some time in 2012. I'm guessing this ceremony took place even before Lindsey vetoed band contributions to the book.

That's not the warmest of speeches (in fact Ken's speech was down-right awful) and certainly not the warmest of hugs.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

This award ceremony must have been early 2011. I think Making Rumours came out some time in 2012. I'm guessing this ceremony took place even before Lindsey vetoed band contributions to the book.

Books like Ken's take years of research and interviewing. Not just that, there is typically a large lag time in between when books are completed and when the publisher releases them. For large novels or nonfiction works like Ken's book, this can take 6-12 months. During this time the book goes through editing, marketing plans and release dates are decided upon, artwork is chosen, reviews which appear on dust jackets are completed, etc.

My point being, Lindsey most certainly knew about Ken's book long before it was released. Ken would most certainly have approached the band early on during the process, too. So this video was absolutely taken after Lindsey refused to participate in Ken's book, and instructed the other band members to do the same.

[elle]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

So this video was absolutely taken after Lindsey refused to participate in Ken's book, and instructed the other band members to do the same.

if we believe this part.

[lovethemac1]

I like to think that this clip from You Tube was just 2 men, who tend to be a bit socially awkward at times, giving and receiving an award. Neither are actors or public speakers (although one is a public performer-singer), so neither were really in their comfort zones.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by lovethemac1

I like to think that this clip from You Tube was just 2 men, who tend to be a bit socially awkward at times, giving and receiving an award. Neither are actors or public speakers (although one is a public performer-singer), so neither were really in their comfort zones.

I just don't think this applies to Lindsey at all. He's been a public speaker for 4 decades. He's been talking to the media and appearing on tv for years. He gives speeches onstage all the time. I don't think he's uncomfortable speaking about himself or in front of a crowd at this point in time at all. He's used to being the center of attention in a room and having people pay close attention to what he says though he can maybe seem hesitant when really he's just searching for the right word (for example, to not piss off other band members or something).

Ken is clearly uncomfortable in front of a crowd, and on top of that, he has a sort of hesitant, odd speech style in general (watching him on say the making of Rumours video) that makes him sound awkwardly nervous even when he might not be.

[teedeerocks]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I just don't think this applies to Lindsey at all. He's been a public speaker for 4 decades. He's been talking to the media and appearing on tv for years. He gives speeches onstage all the time. I don't think he's uncomfortable speaking about himself or in front of a crowd at this point in time at all. He's used to being the center of attention in a room and having people pay close attention to what he says though he can maybe seem hesitant when really he's just searching for the right word (for example, to not piss off other band members or something).

Ken is clearly uncomfortable in front of a crowd, and on top of that, he has a sort of hesitant, odd speech style in general (watching him on say the making of Rumours video) that makes him sound awkwardly nervous even when he might not be.

It's true he has been speaking publically for a long time now but he usually has his guitar to hide behind with the exception of radio interviews - but although millions of people were listening,he didn't have a million eyes staring at him to deal with(without his guitar).In "The Dance" video,he is very jerky and fidgetty and basically a nervous wreck when he is talking(lots of cameras,VIP's,and no guitar).Just my personal observation...

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by lovethemac1

I like to think that this clip from You Tube was just 2 men, who tend to be a bit socially awkward at times, giving and receiving an award. Neither are actors or public speakers (although one is a public performer-singer), so neither were really in their comfort zones.

For me, Ken comes across as a bit lazy here. If a person isn't a natural public speaker that's fine- but if you are asked to present an award to somebody then that's a great honor and you'd put a bit of effort in (proper preparation and practice prevents a pi$$ poor performance). In this case it looks as if he came up with his speech in five minutes in the car on the way to the event. I loved Making Rumours (my favorite FM-related book) and I know that if he'd really thought about it he could have delivered a great speech with some great anecdotes. Mentioning Colbie was totally misplaced and came across as a bit odd.

Lindsey is just typical Lindsey- no more, no less.

[Montclare]

Has anyone else gotten their punter pass? Mine came today.

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[BlueDenimLamp]

I'm sure RD is a wonderful guy and it's nice he's answering questions about the good old days (and sharing his archives which I'm sure he could easily auction off instead putting things out there for the fans). But why is he sticking his nose in FM's current affairs? I don't think it was his place to publicly announce Mick's moms passing (They have media people for that) he could have waited to post his condolences until after it was common knowledge.
Most recently it seems he is trying to bring to the bands (Stevie's) attention some remarks issued by Jimmy Paxon.
Jimmy said that the fans who were being negative towards FM for ending the show early due to Mick being sick were "Shallow and selfish" Sounds like Jimmy is sticking up for the band. So why are RD and the poster trying to turn it into a negative? Why is he even getting involved? Does he know Jimmy or when was the time he even talked to Stevie?

[elle]

Originally Posted by Montclare

Was this before or after Ken wrote his book?

says right there in the video description: January 14th, 2011.

i think after Ken wrote the book, but definitely before it came out in April 2012.

why? you think LB would be less nice if it was after the book came out? LB strikes me as a very zen person these days, so i don't think it would make much difference as far as his behavior goes. and Ken must have been well aware at that time that LB did not want to take part in his book?

[Montclare]

Originally Posted by elle

why? you think LB would be less nice if it was after the book came out? LB strikes me as a very zen person these days, so i don't think it would make much difference as far as his behavior goes. and Ken must have been well aware at that time that LB did not want to take part in his book?

I just think it's interesting to think what might have been going on behind the scenes, with both of them. For example- haven't read Ken's book yet (on my Christmas list), but from what I've heard, he's not that nice to Lindsey. That's why I'm wondering if this event was before or after the band (allegedly on Lindsey's orders) refused to participate. If you wrote a book where you were critical of someone, it must be awkward to encounter them in person afterwards.