Stevie still not on board for new album.

[FM77]

I would be shocked if this tour goes beyond the scheduled end date of 6/30.

[elle]

Originally Posted by FM77

I would be shocked if this tour goes beyond the scheduled end date of 6/30.

so why did SN say she's busy with FM for the whole 2015? is it her usual confusion about the meaning of numbers, or did she finally agree to go into studio with them and work on getting that album out the second half of 2015?

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by elle

so why did SN say she's busy with FM for the whole 2015? is it her usual confusion about the meaning of numbers, or did she finally agree to go into studio with them and work on getting that album out the second half of 2015?

I think the "with Fleetwood Mac through the rest of the year" definitely means joining them for the album. Plus McVie said recently that they plan to have the album out prior to starting a Mac tour in Europe, which she thought would be starting 2016.

[elle]

Originally Posted by tabruns

I think the "with Fleetwood Mac through the rest of the year" definitely means joining them for the album. Plus McVie said recently that they plan to have the album out prior to starting a Mac tour in Europe, which she thought would be starting 2016.

nope, Christine said that UK/Europe tour would start in May 2015, and they were hoping to have the album out before that. obviously the album part is not happening in that timeframe, considering they have only 3 week Christmas break, and Stevie hasn't contributed so far.

i do hope you are right about the album and Stevie finally deciding to join in, but i suspect they'll just be finishing the world tour through the end of 2015. if SN adds her contributions to that FM album, maybe it could be during the summer break that they usually seem to take from touring... that is if we take the FM timeframe from things that both LB and SN said about possibly going back to their respective solo stuff in 2016.

don't know whether that's been reported here, but Mick said at DC m&g that they might just put that album out as LB solo album. of course, considering Say You Will didn't come out as LB solo album and had just 4 out of Rumours 5 members, why would this next one with 4 out of 5 Rumours era FM members be LB solo album is completely beyond any logic and reason.

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by elle

don't know whether that's been reported here, but Mick said at DC m&g that they might just put that album out as LB solo album. of course, considering Say You Will didn't come out as LB solo album and had just 4 out of Rumours 5 members, why would this next one with 4 out of 5 Rumours era FM members be LB solo album is completely beyond any logic and reason.

Well you're right it doesn't make sense to put it out as a LB solo album because it involves Christine. But I can see why they couldn't put out a FM album without Stevie. The difference between SYW and the situation now is that Christine had quit. She was not part of the band. Stevie is part of the band so that complicates things. They do all have a personal and working relationship with her and I don't think they wish to throw that away so they aren't going to kick her out or use her as a touring only member. And if they did go to that length to put this music out it would amazing that Stevie was let them do it and not feel any guilt about holding back the band.

[elle]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

Well you're right it doesn't make sense to put it out as a LB solo album because it involves Christine. But I can see why they couldn't put out a FM album without Stevie. The difference between SYW and the situation now is that Christine had quit. She was not part of the band. Stevie is part of the band so that complicates things. They do all have a personal and working relationship with her and I don't think they wish to throw that away so they aren't going to kick her out or use her as a touring only member. And if they did go to that length to put this music out it would amazing that Stevie was let them do it and not feel any guilt about holding back the band.

good points.... relationship that keeps stunting them i guess can only go for so long. if she keeps non-cooperating, maybe they will fire her?

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by elle

good points.... relationship that keeps stunting them i guess can only go for so long. if she keeps non-cooperating, maybe they will fire her?

and go from playing sold out or nearly sold out 18,000 seat venues at 750 bucks a seat to playing 3,000 to 5,000 seaters at a fraction of that price. Not as long as Mick is running things.

[welcomechris]

Originally Posted by elle

good points.... relationship that keeps stunting them i guess can only go for so long. if she keeps non-cooperating, maybe they will fire her?

haha no. the end of stevie is the end of fleetwood mac.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by elle

nope, Christine said that UK/Europe tour would start in May 2015, and they were hoping to have the album out before that. obviously the album part is not happening in that timeframe, considering they have only 3 week Christmas break, and Stevie hasn't contributed so far.

i do hope you are right about the album and Stevie finally deciding to join in, but i suspect they'll just be finishing the world tour through the end of 2015. if SN adds her contributions to that FM album, maybe it could be during the summer break that they usually seem to take from touring... that is if we take the FM timeframe from things that both LB and SN said about possibly going back to their respective solo stuff in 2016.

don't know whether that's been reported here, but Mick said at DC m&g that they might just put that album out as LB solo album. of course, considering Say You Will didn't come out as LB solo album and had just 4 out of Rumours 5 members, why would this next one with 4 out of 5 Rumours era FM members be LB solo album is completely beyond any logic and reason.

Just put it out as a Lindsey and Christine album, featuring John and Mick. Sorry, Stevie.

It would seem if it were to be released as an LB solo album it would not contain Christine-penned songs (unless everything they did is a cowrite-- but all interviews said she wrote plenty of her own stuff and sent him demos to work on-- that would make him arranger/producer but her the writer) which is a shame-- her material should see the light of day and whatever format they appear in should have her name attached and not be buried on an LB album under his name (FM presumes all of the writers and doesn't highlight any writer's name on the cover so that's fair). Again I don't mean her actual co-writes with LB (if she's ok with being a featured player on a Lindsey headlined album for their cowritten stuff, so be it) but rather her own stuff she brought in for FM.

It sounds in any case like they don't want to wait on Stevie to tack her sh*t on and drag this all out forever. I love that they are considering putting out a de facto FM album without her. Calling it a LB album or a Travelling Dingleberries album or whatever avoids the legal sh*tstorm of putting out an official FM album w/out her while actually putting out an FM album w/out her. I say bravo to them!

[mitzo]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Just put it out as a Lindsey and Christine album, featuring John and Mick. Sorry, Stevie.

It would seem if it were to be released as an LB solo album it would not contain Christine-penned songs (unless everything they did is a cowrite-- but all interviews said she wrote plenty of her own stuff and sent him demos to work on-- that would make him arranger/producer but her the writer) which is a shame-- her material should see the light of day and whatever format they appear in should have her name attached and not be buried on an LB album under his name (FM presumes all of the writers and doesn't highlight any writer's name on the cover so that's fair). Again I don't mean her actual co-writes with LB (if she's ok with being a featured player on a Lindsey headlined album for their cowritten stuff, so be it) but rather her own stuff she brought in for FM.

It sounds in any case like they don't want to wait on Stevie to tack her sh*t on and drag this all out forever. I love that they are considering putting out a de facto FM album without her. Calling it a LB album or a Travelling Dingleberries album or whatever avoids the legal sh*tstorm of putting out an official FM album w/out her while actually putting out an FM album w/out her. I say bravo to them!

An album like that would sell like 20K tops.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by mitzo

An album like that would sell like 20K tops.

I would doubt it. There's so much interest in the tour (and many of the punters only casual Fleetwood Mac fans) that you can almost guarantee decent, if unspectacular, album sales whatever the line-up.

I think an album under a moniker such as 'The Mini-Mac' would do well simply due to the fuss it would cause. There'd be a lot of debate in the music press which would give it a high profile. You never know, if Christine and Lindsey have been able to do their magic together they could even pop out a hit song which would boost sales. If FM do ever have another hit single it will undoubtedly come from Christine.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Just put it out as a Lindsey and Christine album, featuring John and Mick.

Or, just call it Fleetwood Mac. They've already done two with three out of four members, why not one more?


But Stevie's really not holding them back right now. They're playing a political game so that they don't burn their bridges with the record label the band has been on since 1970. Lindsey and Christine have both said Stevie's on board for the next record, it's only Mick and Stevie that haven't gone quite that far. Do the math. Stevie is the only one promoting a solo record while not touring it, and has even said that she owed the label a record.

[SteveMacD]

I mean, it doesn't take a lot of brains to figure out a Fleetwood Mac album with all five members of the classic lineup will certainly do better than anything anyone of them could do outside of Fleetwood Mac. Even if it was just to further her solo career, Stevie would do whatever it took to be a part of a new Fleetwood Mac album if Christine McVie and Lindsey Buckingham were in the band.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Or, just call it Fleetwood Mac. They've already done two with three out of four members, why not one more?

thanks you! exactly!! what kind of bs is that calling it something other that FM?

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

But Stevie's really not holding them back right now. They're playing a political game so that they don't burn their bridges with the record label the band has been on since 1970. Lindsey and Christine have both said Stevie's on board for the next record, it's only Mick and Stevie that haven't gone quite that far.

and you know all this how? did you talk to them?

it's a nice conjecture and i respect your expertise in the industry, but these people are... well, weird. rime or reason may not actually apply to them. and i hope they are not courting WB for this album. if they want to be on the big label cause they are too lazy to hire the right people to promote them if indie, then at least go court Interscope or something!

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Or, just call it Fleetwood Mac. They've already done two with three out of four members, why not one more?

as I said, I believe there would be business/legal complications. If Stevie says I didn't quit FM, but they've released an album without me there could be problems. I am sure there are contracts in place that define what/who "Fleetwood Mac" means unless otherwise agreed to by the parties involved.

I'm not talking about how can they put out an album to sell the most copies. That's a bit of a moot point these days.

I'm saying that if this group of people minus Stevie has a collection of music that they would like to put out as the next (possibly final) collection for people to hear for ARTISTIC reasons, not especially sales, then they should do it. Call it whatever.

I still believe the producer issue is the sticking point for Stevie, followed by time that she wants to spend on solo stuff. She wants to do her alternating back-and-forth between careers thing. Understandable. But time is running out. She's made it clear she's likely NOT going to do the Goldfish & Ladybug project, doubtful on the Rhiannon project, or the memoir in the next five or ten years. She's mentioned a SFV vol 2…well, how long did it take her to do Vol 1? So realistically, how long would it take her to do Vol 2? A couple months? 6 months? In any case it won't eat up an amount of time that precludes a Mac album.

I agree with those who say it makes absolutely zero sense that she doesn't at least say "Fleetwood Mac still has some chapters to be written" or "This band's not over yet, we may surprise you with more new music" or something that doesn't pin her to a timeframe but does indicate she is indeed onboard.

But like others have said, this band is special. Bless their hearts.