Thoughts on Mick's New Book

bombaysaffires · #1 10-29-2014, 01:11 PM

I always found Stevie's outfit at Mick's wedding a bit….curious. Wearing white to a wedding is always a bit tricky, and then wearing a rather foofy big white dress and huge white hat..well…I think there's something passive/aggressive going on there. Just sayin'

michelej1 · #2 10-29-2014, 02:01 PM

It's interesting that Mick says that before Tango, he'd filed bankruptcy but all it took was the royalties from record sales of their catalog to keep him comfortable and get him financially back on his feet, because the band wasn't doing anything for those 5 years to make new money.

So, although if you keep spending you keep needing money, it seems like those royalties are really, really lucrative if all you need to do is maintain. I'd like to know how much they all get a year from catalogue royalties.

Michele

Newzchspy · #3 10-29-2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

It's interesting that Mick says that before Tango, he'd filed bankruptcy but all it took was the royalties from record sales of their catalog to keep him comfortable and get him financially back on his feet, because the band wasn't doing anything for those 5 years to make new money.

So, although if you keep spending you keep needing money, it seems like those royalties are really, really lucrative if all you need to do is maintain. I'd like to know how much they all get a year from catalogue royalties.

Michele

Then or NOW?? The real money $$ NOW is in touring and writing music (although tours can be very expensive, there's the Band's Guarantee that each person gets even before expenses.) The promoters and venue gets the rest from Beer sales, part of the merchandise, tickets sales, sales tax etc.

Then? Well the money has always been in owning the songs and publishing and to a certain extent the TOUR. The long term "annuity" and money for the band is in music publishing, rights and song "ownership."

Catalog royalties ONLY occur if the music is used or sold and depend upon who/whom owns the rights?? Often its the record company that owns it once the artist/author signs away their rights for $$.

bombaysaffires · #4 10-29-2014, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Newzchspy

Then or NOW?? The real money $$ NOW is in touring and writing music (although tours can be very expensive, there's the Band's Guarantee that each person gets even before expenses.) The promoters and venue gets the rest from Beer sales, part of the merchandise, tickets sales, sales tax etc.

Then? Well the money has always been in owning the songs and publishing and to a certain extent the TOUR. The long term "annuity" and money for the band is in music publishing, rights and song "ownership."

Catalog royalties ONLY occur if the music is used or sold and depend upon who/whom owns the rights?? Often its the record company that owns it once the artist/author signs away their rights for $$.

not so sure that writing your music earns you much these days. I watched an interview with David Byrne from Talking Heads and he said most bands putting out music now will never actually make money off their music (i.e. support themselves personally). He said the whole issue of trying to get people to pay for music is killing everything. He said the *only* money is touring.

(maybe unless you give permission for some company to use it in a commercial or something).

michelej1 · #5 10-30-2014, 12:09 AM

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Then or NOW??

Mick was talking about THEN. The band was idle from 1982-1987 and he had no other income coming in but he said after he declared bankruptcy, he was able to stay comfortable from the royalties and most people didn't even know he had hit rock bottom, because his lifestyle didn't look that bad.

Michele

nicole21290 · #6 10-30-2014, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

Mick was talking about THEN. The band was idle from 1982-1987 and he had no other income coming in but he said after he declared bankruptcy, he was able to stay comfortable from the royalties and most people didn't even know he had hit rock bottom, because his lifestyle didn't look that bad.

Michele

"By 1984 I had to file for bankruptcy for the second time and though I knew things weren’t on the up, it still came as a surprise. I’d hired a young, eager business manager who had a ‘live for now’ strategy which of course was fine for me, but didn’t seem to plan enough for the future. Then somehow it all fell apart. I was forced to sell the Blue Whale as well as all of my cars and my recording equipment. I lost Sara in the process: she moved out, broke it off with me and went back to work in the ‘real world’, because I couldn’t support her. Meanwhile I moved into a house with Richard Dashut and laboured to put my life back in order. Thankfully no matter how dire things seemed, I was never in danger of being completely on the street. I was grateful to always have the royalty income stream from Fleetwood Mac to keep me afloat. That is essentially how I settled all of my financial problems. At first that left me little else to get by on, but eventually it caught up and the monies I received from record sales of the catalogue enabled me to be comfortable. Cosmetically most people never even realised that I’d gone broke, not once but twice, because the thing I’d devoted my life to developing had served to save me."

tabruns · #7 10-29-2014, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

It's interesting that Mick says that before Tango, he'd filed bankruptcy but all it took was the royalties from record sales of their catalog to keep him comfortable and get him financially back on his feet, because the band wasn't doing anything for those 5 years to make new money.

So, although if you keep spending you keep needing money, it seems like those royalties are really, really lucrative if all you need to do is maintain. I'd like to know how much they all get a year from catalogue royalties.

Michele

The three songwriters would get significantly more than Mick, so for Mick to be comfortable purely on catalog royalties, well, it's no wonder that Stevie is "financially stable" (i.e., no recession could put a dent in her fortune).

Tango · #8 10-29-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I always found Stevie's outfit at Mick's wedding a bit….curious. Wearing white to a wedding is always a bit tricky, and then wearing a rather foofy big white dress and huge white hat..well…I think there's something passive/aggressive going on there. Just sayin'

I agree there is some sort of "message" in the dress Stevie wore to the wedding. And another sort of message in wearing a "black" sort of dress to her own wedding to Kim Anderson. Or she was just plain crazy.

michelej1 · #9 10-29-2014, 02:26 PM

Well, Mick and Stevie both say that Stevie was mad at Sara, so I don't guess the message in Stevie's dress was meant to be subtle. In fact, Mick says his other bandmates were mad at him at him too. Sara's friends took Jim Recor's side and it sounds like it was a complete mess.

Michele

PenguinHead · #10 10-29-2014, 09:35 PM

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I agree there is some sort of "message" in the dress Stevie wore to the wedding. And another sort of message in wearing a "black" sort of dress to her own wedding to Kim Anderson. Or she was just plain crazy.

Wearing an overblown white gown at someone else's wedding is just insane and thoughtless. Perhaps ego took over and she didn't want to be upstaged by the bride.

Wdm6789 · #11 10-31-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I always found Stevie's outfit at Mick's wedding a bit….curious. Wearing white to a wedding is always a bit tricky, and then wearing a rather foofy big white dress and huge white hat..well…I think there's something passive/aggressive going on there. Just sayin'

I thought that too. But it was 1988, she was probably strung out on benzos also.

bombaysaffires · #12 10-31-2014, 12:53 PM

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I thought that too. But it was 1988, she was probably strung out on benzos also.

seems like.

But there's a definite "upstage the bride" vibe to the whole outfit.

Then of course getting up onstage and singing and being the center of attention throughout a lot of the reception….

StreetAngel86 · #13 11-02-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I always found Stevie's outfit at Mick's wedding a bit….curious. Wearing white to a wedding is always a bit tricky, and then wearing a rather foofy big white dress and huge white hat..well…I think there's something passive/aggressive going on there. Just sayin'

she's VERY subtle isn't she

imagine what she would have worn to Bucky and Kristen's wedding ...