Relocated: London, Christine, Lindsey, FM

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

I cannot fathom why Lindsey would not want her on the cover of a magazine covering the making of an album to which she contributed so much.

He wasn't on the cover either and he contributed so much, certainly.

Michele

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by michelej1

He wasn't on the cover either and he contributed so much, certainly.

Michele

True, but you take my point? My reading of the Mojo journalist's comment was that Lindsey didn't want Christine on the front; presumably if there'd even something with the current lineup on there, he would have been happy. If I've misread it, let me know.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

True, but you take my point? My reading of the Mojo journalist's comment was that Lindsey didn't want Christine on the front; presumably if there'd even something with the current lineup on there, he would have been happy. If I've misread it, let me know.

No, I don't take your point. I don't see that the magazine cover was an attempt to minimize Christine's contributions to Rumours, since he wasn't on the Mojo cover either and I assume he thinks he contributed.

Did Mojo have several options and Lindsey just said, "use this outtake from the album, not that one?" Did he actually tell the guy he didn't want to use a line up photo in general, rather than saying, "I don't want to use a photo with Christine in it." Since he wasn't on the cover either, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the latter scenario occurred.

There are plenty of pictures of the current line up that could have been used, but they didn't make the cover of Mojo either. So, if the choice was the line up of the 5 and the Rumours album cover which only contained 2 members and did not include Christine or Lindsey it's hard for me to take any point from that in particular.


If Lindsey said, "Use any picture just as long as Christine isn't in it," that would have been interesting, indeed. But the writer doesn't say that's what happened. He doesn't say much of anything.

Did Lindsey say, "use this picture, because Christine isn't in it" that is provocative enough that the writer would have certainly mentioned it in the original MOJO interview (right after he said in that article that Lindsey still seemed upset about Christine leaving, it would have fit perfectly there and helped to make his point, but wasn't included in the piece at all).


As for the ballet cover with Mick and Stevie, it's not what I wanted to see on the cover of Mojo, that's for sure, but it doesn't seem like a slight against Christine. If Lindsey had been on the cover and not Christine, then yes, I might agree with you and the writer. As the cover actually played out, without Lindsey on it, I don't see that as being anything against Christine.

I didn't like Mojo's cover choice, but I didn't see it as excluding only Christine. I thought it excluded three of them.

Michele

[michelej1]

And for related reasons, I had a much bigger problem with Stevie and Lindsey doing Landslide and Big Love on Letterman and for the RRHOF to promote the entire band. Now, to me, that did exclude Christine. Whether she wanted it that way or not, it didn't sit well with me.

The Mojo magazine cover is not an example of that.

Michele

[MikeInNV]

I guess it's not totally clear, and any one of several scenarios may have played out, but I think what was written--"Lindsey seems almost cross about Christine’s return. He said she’d “burned her bridges”, and asked MOJO not to use a line-up shot including Christine on the cover of our issue about the making of Rumours"--will certainly imply a lot to many readers. I think Ulpian's main point was that if Lindsey had said nothing, he may very well have been on the cover himself. The writer doesn't make it sound like the cover shot was the magazine's first choice, but maybe it was.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

I guess it's not totally clear, and any one of several scenarios may have played out, but I think what was written--"Lindsey seems almost cross about Christine’s return. He said she’d “burned her bridges”, and asked MOJO not to use a line-up shot including Christine on the cover of our issue about the making of Rumours"--will certainly imply a lot to many readers.

Yep, I just don't know if those implications are correct. Did Lindsey say, "don't use a line-up shot that includes Christine." Or did he say "don't use that line up shot" and the line up shot that they showed him included Christine. I know the question to Stevie implies that Lindsey said he didn't want Christine on the cover of the magazine, but I question the accuracy of that conclusion.

One reason I think Lindsey might not have said that is because when the Mojo issue in question came out, I think that juicy tidbit would certainly have been mentioned in the article itself, the Fleetwood Mac article with the inflammatory cover, not 9 months later in an SN interview. I think it would have been mentioned earlier because that original article does pointedly mention Lindsey's vehement (and dreaded) "burned her bridges" line and I think Mojo wanted to delve into the Christine question then, but didn't have a lot to go on other than the burned bridges.

What it looks like to me happened is that the writer asked Stevie how the reunion went. Stevie was all, gee it was great that Christine came and sang one song, but it could have been more than one song if Lindsey had let her. Learning from Stevie that Lindsey supposedly didn't want Christine to perform on more than one song, the writer sensed conflict between the band members and wanted to explore that for a scoop, so to get Stevie to elaborate on a fissure between Lindsey and Christine, the writer returns to the "burned her bridges" line and ADDS that Lindsey didn't want them to use a line up shot that included Christine, a piece of information that was missing from the original Mojo article. He doesn't say that Lindsey didn't want to use the photo because it included Christine.

Parsing words? I don't think so, not when you consider the context. This would have been an important point to make, if true.

Since the original Mojo article never suggested that Lindsey didn't want Christine on the cover and since Lindsey doesn't appear on the cover himself, I just don't conclude that Lindsey said not to use the line up photo, for the reason that it contained Christine. Who knows why he didn't want it to be used. If he wanted to exclude Christine, I think he would have pushed for a picture of just the four of them. If he did, Mojo might have refused his suggestion, but I 100% believe they would have said they refused such a request. They don't. So, I don't think any such request was made.

If there was any indication that Lindsey wanted to erase Christine from FM history, revealing that he said, "here I really want you to use this picture of the four of us, instead of the picture of five" would have been most relevant. The writer doesn't say Lindsey said such a thing and I find the omission instructive. It certainly informs my interpretation of events.

Yes, I know that other people don't read it that way. I'm sure that was the writer's intent.

Michele

[BlueDenimLamp]

I think this may apply...
"No one knows how I feel...What I say unless you read between my lines"
~Stevie Nicks~

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by michelej1

No, I don't take your point. I don't see that the magazine cover was an attempt to minimize Christine's contributions to Rumours, since he wasn't on the Mojo cover either and I assume he thinks he contributed.

Did Mojo have several options and Lindsey just said, "use this outtake from the album, not that one?" Did he actually tell the guy he didn't want to use a line up photo in general, rather than saying, "I don't want to use a photo with Christine in it." Since he wasn't on the cover either, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the latter scenario occurred.

There are plenty of pictures of the current line up that could have been used, but they didn't make the cover of Mojo either. So, if the choice was the line up of the 5 and the Rumours album cover which only contained 2 members and did not include Christine or Lindsey it's hard for me to take any point from that in particular.


If Lindsey said, "Use any picture just as long as Christine isn't in it," that would have been interesting, indeed. But the writer doesn't say that's what happened. He doesn't say much of anything.

Did Lindsey say, "use this picture, because Christine isn't in it" that is provocative enough that the writer would have certainly mentioned it in the original MOJO interview (right after he said in that article that Lindsey still seemed upset about Christine leaving, it would have fit perfectly there and helped to make his point, but wasn't included in the piece at all).


As for the ballet cover with Mick and Stevie, it's not what I wanted to see on the cover of Mojo, that's for sure, but it doesn't seem like a slight against Christine. If Lindsey had been on the cover and not Christine, then yes, I might agree with you and the writer. As the cover actually played out, without Lindsey on it, I don't see that as being anything against Christine.

I didn't like Mojo's cover choice, but I didn't see it as excluding only Christine. I thought it excluded three of them.

Michele

You have applied your usual forensic approach, Michele, but I don't really think you and I read the Mojo journalist's piece the same way. No matter.