Relocated: London, Christine, Lindsey, FM

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

Not me. I really don't understand his position. The whole show—the whole tour—is just a splashy variety show. It's not promoting anything per se, other than Fleetwood Mac nostalgia (which is fine because it's big bucks these days in the live arena). What would it matter aesthetically whether Christine was onstage for five minutes or fifty-five minutes?

I agree with this small part of your post, although I'm not sure that FM sees the set this way.

Even so, Christine performing didn't have to change the precious setlist. She could just play on the songs that she knows and has played on 1000 times before, most especially World Turning, but Second Hand News, The Chain, etc. as well.

I would make the argument that her sitting there for most of the set like a yeoman would have created LESS of a disruptive media splash than her coming out to one song, Don't Stop, with great star fan fare did. Just come out there like one of the guys and the media would note that is what she did, but wouldn't harp on it.

With Lindsey in 1990, he just appeared very subtly behind Stevie for Landslide. She didn't say who he was. She just said something like, "need I say more?" He wasn't announced until MUCH later in the show. They could have done that with Christine and I think most people in the audience wouldn't even realize that she hadn't been part of the regular band for 15 years.

Michele

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I agree with this small part of your post, although I'm not sure that FM sees the set this way.

Even so, Christine performing didn't have to change the precious setlist. She could just play on the songs that she knows and has played on 1000 times before, most especially World Turning, but Second Hand News, The Chain, etc. as well.

I would make the argument that her sitting there for most of the set like a yeoman would have created LESS of a disruptive media splash than her coming out to one song, Don't Stop, with great star fan fare did. Just come out there like one of the guys and the media would note that is what she did, but wouldn't harp on it.

With Lindsey in 1990, he just appeared very subtly behind Stevie for Landslide. She didn't say who he was. She just said something like, "need I say more?" He wasn't announced until MUCH later in the show. They could have done that with Christine and I think most people in the audience wouldn't even realize that she hadn't been part of the regular band for 15 years.

Michele

I agree with this. I thought that there would have been no harm for her at the very least, to have come on for Go Your Own Way, then to have done World Turning and Don't Stop.

Whilst I was beyond delighted to have seen Christine perform with FM, I too find it frustrating that she was only given a one-song slot.

The other stuff which has been brought up in the light of Stevie's Mojo interview is ambiguous. I always thought that there was more to Christine's departure, or what happened shortly before and in its wake, than we know. I cannot fathom why Lindsey would not want her on the cover of a magazine covering the making of an album to which she contributed so much. I will inevitably shot down by his fans, but that request seems to me the product of pettiness and a complete failure to see the bigger picture.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

I cannot fathom why Lindsey would not want her on the cover of a magazine covering the making of an album to which she contributed so much.

He wasn't on the cover either and he contributed so much, certainly.

Michele

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by michelej1

He wasn't on the cover either and he contributed so much, certainly.

Michele

True, but you take my point? My reading of the Mojo journalist's comment was that Lindsey didn't want Christine on the front; presumably if there'd even something with the current lineup on there, he would have been happy. If I've misread it, let me know.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

True, but you take my point? My reading of the Mojo journalist's comment was that Lindsey didn't want Christine on the front; presumably if there'd even something with the current lineup on there, he would have been happy. If I've misread it, let me know.

No, I don't take your point. I don't see that the magazine cover was an attempt to minimize Christine's contributions to Rumours, since he wasn't on the Mojo cover either and I assume he thinks he contributed.

Did Mojo have several options and Lindsey just said, "use this outtake from the album, not that one?" Did he actually tell the guy he didn't want to use a line up photo in general, rather than saying, "I don't want to use a photo with Christine in it." Since he wasn't on the cover either, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the latter scenario occurred.

There are plenty of pictures of the current line up that could have been used, but they didn't make the cover of Mojo either. So, if the choice was the line up of the 5 and the Rumours album cover which only contained 2 members and did not include Christine or Lindsey it's hard for me to take any point from that in particular.


If Lindsey said, "Use any picture just as long as Christine isn't in it," that would have been interesting, indeed. But the writer doesn't say that's what happened. He doesn't say much of anything.

Did Lindsey say, "use this picture, because Christine isn't in it" that is provocative enough that the writer would have certainly mentioned it in the original MOJO interview (right after he said in that article that Lindsey still seemed upset about Christine leaving, it would have fit perfectly there and helped to make his point, but wasn't included in the piece at all).


As for the ballet cover with Mick and Stevie, it's not what I wanted to see on the cover of Mojo, that's for sure, but it doesn't seem like a slight against Christine. If Lindsey had been on the cover and not Christine, then yes, I might agree with you and the writer. As the cover actually played out, without Lindsey on it, I don't see that as being anything against Christine.

I didn't like Mojo's cover choice, but I didn't see it as excluding only Christine. I thought it excluded three of them.

Michele

[michelej1]

And for related reasons, I had a much bigger problem with Stevie and Lindsey doing Landslide and Big Love on Letterman and for the RRHOF to promote the entire band. Now, to me, that did exclude Christine. Whether she wanted it that way or not, it didn't sit well with me.

The Mojo magazine cover is not an example of that.

Michele

[MikeInNV]

I guess it's not totally clear, and any one of several scenarios may have played out, but I think what was written--"Lindsey seems almost cross about Christine’s return. He said she’d “burned her bridges”, and asked MOJO not to use a line-up shot including Christine on the cover of our issue about the making of Rumours"--will certainly imply a lot to many readers. I think Ulpian's main point was that if Lindsey had said nothing, he may very well have been on the cover himself. The writer doesn't make it sound like the cover shot was the magazine's first choice, but maybe it was.

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by michelej1

No, I don't take your point. I don't see that the magazine cover was an attempt to minimize Christine's contributions to Rumours, since he wasn't on the Mojo cover either and I assume he thinks he contributed.

Did Mojo have several options and Lindsey just said, "use this outtake from the album, not that one?" Did he actually tell the guy he didn't want to use a line up photo in general, rather than saying, "I don't want to use a photo with Christine in it." Since he wasn't on the cover either, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the latter scenario occurred.

There are plenty of pictures of the current line up that could have been used, but they didn't make the cover of Mojo either. So, if the choice was the line up of the 5 and the Rumours album cover which only contained 2 members and did not include Christine or Lindsey it's hard for me to take any point from that in particular.


If Lindsey said, "Use any picture just as long as Christine isn't in it," that would have been interesting, indeed. But the writer doesn't say that's what happened. He doesn't say much of anything.

Did Lindsey say, "use this picture, because Christine isn't in it" that is provocative enough that the writer would have certainly mentioned it in the original MOJO interview (right after he said in that article that Lindsey still seemed upset about Christine leaving, it would have fit perfectly there and helped to make his point, but wasn't included in the piece at all).


As for the ballet cover with Mick and Stevie, it's not what I wanted to see on the cover of Mojo, that's for sure, but it doesn't seem like a slight against Christine. If Lindsey had been on the cover and not Christine, then yes, I might agree with you and the writer. As the cover actually played out, without Lindsey on it, I don't see that as being anything against Christine.

I didn't like Mojo's cover choice, but I didn't see it as excluding only Christine. I thought it excluded three of them.

Michele

You have applied your usual forensic approach, Michele, but I don't really think you and I read the Mojo journalist's piece the same way. No matter.