Bob Welch/Fleetwood Mac ignores him

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by Wendy Welch

During the lawsuit with Clifford Davis/Adams when he put out the fake FM and the band sued him that is when John and Mick became owners of the name Fleetwood Mac by court order.

Also, so you know Christine is the REAL reason Bob quite Fleetwood Mac. The day after she threw a drink in his face before a gig because he was the only male in the band that she could take her drunken hostilities out on without being hit back.

Just so you know, John was not any worse to Christine than she was to him. She did chase around the Holiday Inn with a butcher knife one night and scared Bob to death.

Please stop posting such things about Christine. I love Bob's music and appreciated his thoughtful Q and A sessions. In neither of those sessions did he feel the need to share either story you recount above. Neither did Mick in his bio. If indeed either of these stories is true, there must have been reasons they decided not to share them, despite ample opportunity to do so: I suspect such reasons were tied to their respect for her. I wish you would do the same with these second-hand accounts.

I also highly doubt one person and one incident was responsible for Bob's decision to leave in 74.

[michelej1]

We DO have a butcher knife story already, but it was told with John as the one wielding it.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by michelej1

We DO have a butcher knife story already, but it was told with John as the one wielding it.

Michele

And a drink in the face story, though it is Christine doing it to Lindsey.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

And a drink in the face story, though it is Christine doing it to Lindsey.

What are the odds that John and Christine both chased each other around with butcher knives? That's a lot of cleaving for one family.

Aside from throwing the drink at Lindsey, we see Christine throw a drink at Mick too on video, but she is playing with him and he dared her. We often joke about Christine throwing drinks on this board. Once a person has a reputation for doing something even once, you can easily just add on an incident to the legacy like a "me too" thing.

Michele

[Wendy Welch]

Bob has written a book in his own words, verifying everything I have said in his words. It will be put out so I don't care what any of you say. It is backed up in his words about Christine, Mick and John and numerous witnesses. So don't even think about disputing me! I have no reason to diss anybody, it's just time you knew the truth.

[Wendy Welch]

It was Christine, not John with the butcher knife. She may have thrown a drink in Lindseys face as well, but she certainly did the same to Bob the day before he quit. And it will be in the book in his own words. I don't like arguin with fans, but I do know all the stories that Bob had typed up and that he told me over and over. You were not in the know and believe me, Bob was! It will be out in the book with witnesses to it, it was not a joke, and I have no fear of being sued over Bob's hand written and typed words. You all may be shocked at the truth. I am sorry if you cannot accept it.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Wendy Welch

It was Christine, not John with the butcher knife. She may have thrown a drink in Lindseys face as well, but she certainly did the same to Bob the day before he quit. And it will be in the book in his own words. I don't like arguin with fans, but I do know all the stories that Bob had typed up and that he told me over and over. You were not in the know and believe me, Bob was!

I'm not arguing with you one way or another. I would love to see you publish Bob's book and then we'll all judge its content ourselves, as to what we believe, what we don't, what we question, and what resolves questions we've long had. We may come to conclusions that are correct or incorrect, but it's going to be a subjective thing on a person by person basis. Our standards for credibility all differ.

Either way, I think editing and publishing that book is one of the best things you can do to carry on his memory. I think that will make a greater mark than the RRHOF, when all is said and done.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by Wendy Welch

It was Christine, not John with the butcher knife. She may have thrown a drink in Lindseys face as well, but she certainly did the same to Bob the day before he quit. And it will be in the book in his own words. I don't like arguin with fans, but I do know all the stories that Bob had typed up and that he told me over and over. You were not in the know and believe me, Bob was! It will be out in the book with witnesses to it, it was not a joke, and I have no fear of being sued over Bob's hand written and typed words. You all may be shocked at the truth. I am sorry if you cannot accept it.

I think we could accept the truth if it comes out in an edited book that we know were Bob's words. What is offensive to me is the way in which you are using these past stories as a weapon against Christine and, to a lesser extent, John and Mick, because Bob was slighted in the RRHOF. That was unfortunate. I would have Loved to have seen him on the stage with them that memorable evening! We all know he deserved it.

But your posts about such things he would have saved for his book seem in bad taste and are being used in a way he did not intend. If he had, he would have shared them with the fans already. So, once again, please stop these malicious posts.

[Wendy Welch]

You could have seen Bob on stage, if Christine hadn't refused to go on stage if Bob was inducted, as per Mick Fleetwood to me and Mick Lawson the day Bob died. Bob was working on the book and intended to share it with the fans, but he died. I will make sure it happens before I die,. Why do you think I am working so hard to tell the truth -- to hurt anyone, to help myself, or to tell Bob's story?

[Wendy Welch]

After 27 years of marriage, being together 24/7 the entire time, except for 1 month give or take 3 days, I think I know better than anybody what Bob intended and how he felt. I was his wife, his best friend, his manager , and we were the love of each others lives. I am doing all of this for Bob, it certainly doesn't benefit me to be disliked by you or anyone else that is in denial and doesn't want to know the truth. Bob loved his fans and he loved the members of FM, but he wanted the truth told. And I must ay that the truth is never in bad taste, it's just those that don't want to know the truth that are in denial. I am doing this to let you all know the real truth why Bob was not instated in the Rock Hall of Fame. The RRHOF picks the band and the owners of the name and members pick who is inducted. By the way, I don't think I have ever slighted John McVie.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by Wendy Welch

It was Christine, not John with the butcher knife. She may have thrown a drink in Lindseys face as well, but she certainly did the same to Bob the day before he quit. And it will be in the book in his own words. I don't like arguin with fans, but I do know all the stories that Bob had typed up and that he told me over and over. You were not in the know and believe me, Bob was! It will be out in the book with witnesses to it, it was not a joke, and I have no fear of being sued over Bob's hand written and typed words. You all may be shocked at the truth. I am sorry if you cannot accept it.

Wendy

Surely you are not suggesting that Christine throwing a drink in Bob's face was the sole reason he quit the band. Maybe the last straw in an already tense and frustrating situation happening within the band at the time. I understand Bob quit because he wasn't happy with the lack of success they were having and in particular the situation with their manager and the faux Fleetwood Mac. You know, the litigation and all the other bull**** that was going on at the time.

If Bob and Christine didn't get along why on earth would she have collaborated with him on his succesful solo albums in the 70s. Hell, I believe that Mick, Stevie, and Lindsey even leant their support in his solo endeavors. I think about times when I saw them on stage with him like in Bob Welch and Friends at The Roxy(1982). By the way I love that whole show and "Sentimental Lady" is definitely a favorite of mine.



Which leads me to believe that the real reason Bob and the rest of the band had a falling out was the royalties fight that happened after this time. Not really sure of what happened there and why it particularly affected Chris more than it did Mick and John.

[Wendy Welch]

You are so wrong. Much will come out later. But you know NOTHING! about Bob and Christine's relationship. Mick was managing Bob and Chris did it for Mick as far as the Roxy show was concerned, but not his solo albums with Captol. Mick did not manage him at the time of his hits. Other than that you will have to wait for the book, but you were not there. It had nothing to do with the lawsuit with Clifford Davis or anything else, as far as Bob quitting the band. It had everything to do with personalities. But as I said, you only know what Bob said so politely to the press, but not the real truth. Quit trying to act like you were there or in the know, none of you know anything but the falsehoods that you read in the press. As it should be until the time is right to tell the whole truth. Christine was more vicious than you can ever imagine, nor than Bob or I could. We were both shocked at her actions over the RRHOF. By the way, Christine never collaberated with him nor did Mick, Stevie or Lindsey. Lindsey produced one song and Chris sang backup on one song. Mick had nothing to do with his solo albums with Capitol. So you are quite misinformed. No collaberation, just paid to sing and produce, big payments to them, I might add and royalties.They contributed nothing to the songwriting or lead vocals or guitars, etc. Lindsey is an incredible producer who I totally admire for all of his talents. I will say no more.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by Wendy Welch

You are so wrong. Much will come out later. But you know NOTHING! about Bob and Christine's relationship. Mick was managing Bob and Chris did it for Mick. Other than that you will have to wait for the book, but you were not there. It had nothing to do with the lawsuit with Clifford Davis or anything else, as far as Bob quitting the band. It had everything to do with personalities. But as I said, you only know what Bob said so politely to the press, but not the real truth. Quit trying to act like you were there or in the know, none of you know anything but the falsehoods that you read in the press. As it should be until the time is right to tell the whole truth. Christine was more vicious than you can ever imagine, nor than Bob or I could. We were both shocked at her actions over the RRHOF.

Please forgive me Wendy. I didn't mean to offend you. If I came off acting like I KNOW everything, I apologize. I surely don't know everything, especially when it comes to Bob and Chris' relationship. I'm just trying to understand, that's all. These are just perceptions that most, if not all of FM fans have. And I don't think it's that unrealistic to think that we would have these perceptions. I'm not calling you a liar or anyone else. Like I said I just want to understand the situation from a fan's perspective. That is all.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by Wendy Welch

. By the way, Christine never collaberated with him nor did Mick, Stevie or Lindsey. Lindsey produced one song and Chris sang backup on one song. Mick had nothing to do with his solo albums with Capitol. So you are quite misinformed. No collaberation, just paid to sing and produce, big payments to them, I might add and royalties.They contributed nothing to the songwriting or lead vocals or guitars, etc. Lindsey is an incredible producer who I totally admire for all of his talents. I will say no more.

I used the word collaborate loosely. Maybe I should have said 'worked with'. Sorry.

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by Wendy Welch

Mick was managing Bob and Chris did it for Mick as far as the Roxy show was concerned, but not his solo albums with Captol.

By the way, Christine never collaberated with him nor did Mick, Stevie or Lindsey. Lindsey produced one song and Chris sang backup on one song.

If this is true, and I don't have reason to doubt it,
why would Bob want or allow Christine to
be involved at all on any of his projects?