SYW, best album of all time?

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

You know - the standard "air relationship", not real, no meaning. But, the real kind.

Awesome Thanks, CAD, for clearing that up!

[elle]

Originally Posted by elle

contrary to popular belief (or so it seems), i actually don't analyze these songs that deeply, you know i mainly listen to music. interpretations i usually give are mostly from initial impressions that i got when i heard certain song, and don't involve much deep thinking.

Originally Posted by michelej1

Elle,

I don't think of you as a big lyrics person. I just thought I'd claim Seeds We Sow, since you were talking about Poe meaning Stevie and it's a rather incongruent bit of wording, too. It took effort to squeeze that in.

Michele

ok, good; i didn't actually think you would. just wanted to make that clear for anybody else out there wondering.

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I can't agree with this. But I can ASSURE you that Nathaniel Hawthorne would not have been happy.

Michele

I'm not so sure about that. His fascination
with Stevie and The Scarlet Letter might cloud
his judgement. Salem, Scarlet and Stevie - they
just go together.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

I'm not so sure about that. His fascination
with Stevie and The Scarlet Letter might cloud
his judgement. Salem, Scarlet and Stevie - they
just go together.

Too many flowers to cut down. For the love that I have for your life.

That would drive any great writer to drink.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Too many flowers to cut down. For the love that I have for your life.

That would drive any great writer to drink.

Michele

Until she, herself.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Too many flowers to cut down. For the love that I have for your life.

Michele

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Until she, herself.

So we're back to discussing SYW?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

So we're back to discussing SYW?

Well, it's still Edgar Allan Poe a little. I was just saying that Nathaniel Hawthorne couldn't be unhappier with what Stevie did to his work than EAP is.

But, um, in all serious, if we are still discussing Stevie and Lindsey talking to each other, I don't see RTTG much differently than Smile at You and Fall From Grace too. The message is, "we can't be together. It was a mistake for me to attract you and to let you, us, entertain that hope. Maybe I turned away, pushed you away, to save you."

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Well, it's still Edgar Allan Poe a little. I was just saying that Nathaniel Hawthorne couldn't be unhappier with what Stevie did to his work than EAP is.

But, um, in all serious, if we are still discussing Stevie and Lindsey talking to each other, I don't see RTTG much differently than Smile at You and Fall From Grace too. The message is, "we can't be together. It was a mistake for me to attract you and to let you, us, entertain that hope. Maybe I turned away, pushed you away, to save you."

Michele

June never said that to Johnny.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

June never said that to Johnny.

So, it's significant that she used a couple that stayed together and were only parted by death as her example, eh?

Michele

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Well, it's still Edgar Allan Poe a little. I was just saying that Nathaniel Hawthorne couldn't be unhappier with what Stevie did to his work than EAP is.

Oh, I agree! I just meant that this thread has been around the world, and back again!

Originally Posted by michelej1

But, um, in all serious, if we are still discussing Stevie and Lindsey talking to each other, I don't see RTTG much differently than Smile at You and Fall From Grace too. The message is, "we can't be together. It was a mistake for me to attract you and to let you, us, entertain that hope. Maybe I turned away, pushed you away, to save you."

Michele

I don't either, but what she says in her songs and what she says in one interview to the next always seem to change. Obviously, I can't read her at all. Their relationship is nothing, if not complicated.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

I don't either, but what she says in her songs and what she says in one interview to the next always seem to change. Obviously, I can't read her at all. Their relationship is nothing, if not complicated.

We haven't heard from Lindsey in a long time (except for his NIN comments). It would be nice if we had some interviews from him right about now and we could compare the vibes.

Michele

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by michelej1

So, it's significant that she used a couple that stayed together and were only parted by death as her example, eh?

Michele

See??

[Desiree]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

Kristen is stupid?? That is extremely presumptuous!! You don't know any of these people!! She's stupid, and yet she's got a successful business of her own, is married to a man that may other women on this earth would LOVE to be married to, has three happy, beautiful kids...and we're here on a chat forum LOL!! but really?? We should all be so stupid.

Down boy! I said I was rambling and apologized...should've erased. Just a bit pompous there...and how do you know many other women would want to be married to LB? Most of the women I know find the fact of his temper and suggested use of force in the past a turn off that doesn't completely go away, just because he grows up some. Now, you want to say that's unfounded too? But, really, don't mean to inflame ... yes, I think LB was a mean SOB, probably still can be, might not be...i don't know him.

And, you might just do chat forums but I'm quite pleased with my success in life: my husband doesn't go around mooning after another woman, I have 2 beautiful, smart, happy children and so on. I don't know any of these people so maybe I should just keep my mouth shut. In that case, so should you.

Yep Obviously Lindsey and Stevie have a complicated relationship, blah blah blah, but that hardly means every word written by either one is about the other. As you stated elsewhere, some of their songs have multiple, or purposely ambiguous meanings. Others, not so much.

blah blah blah.....yep

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

So, it's significant that she used a couple that stayed together and were only parted by death as her example, eh?

Michele

Significant enough to her that she uses them as an example - and has before. I don't know why she does that. June gave up her career so that she could have a family with Johnny and be his backup.

[TrueFaith77]

"Come" IS about Stevie in that, as my friend definitively put it [pointing to the SYW CD]": "I only see two people on this cover!" Within the context of the Mac spectacle, these songs are always sung to each other.

That being said, the song is, apparently, literally about Anne Heche (lyrics make reference to her God delusions), which matches the timeline of the GOS sessions and fits in with other songs that apparently are about Heche (especially, off the top of my head, "Miranda").

But the context of the songs changes everything. Stevie always understands that.