Sunday Night

[secret love]

Originally Posted by elle

????? LB was at his hottest during that era.

aren't you a guy? don't your restrooms have urinals? guess you somehow avoid going to the restroom in any public place?

Elle, yeah I'm a guy and yeah, I use public restrooms. Let me just clear something up for the ladies: when us guys use urinals we choose the corners of the large urinals and it is considered rude to stand next to someone you don't know while both of you are urinating in a large multi-person-use urinal. If you are both using single-person urinals, then you may stand next to each other but you do not glance over at the other person's genitals. It is uncomfortable when men do this and it is just not good manners.

Honestly, you have to understand, I don't think Lindsey is super-ugly. When I say ugly, I'm aware he is actually quite dashing and handsome. But to me he is not sexually attractive! And not just because he's a man, but because he just is not the kind of person I would be interested in, mainly because of the age difference and definitely because of his attitude to life and because of the way he treats the women in his life (no, not just Stevie, but past girlfriends and female friends too). Also he just seems like a dickhead. But I have reserved making a final judgement on whether or not I like him until I get the chance to meet him, maybe.

[elle]

Originally Posted by secret love

Elle, yeah I'm a guy and yeah, I use public restrooms.

lol at your whole explanation - so how come you can't stop imagining LB peeing from just hearing someone yelling that was what he was doing, but sharing the restroom with bunch of other guys doesn't phase you? seriously, what do you expect? that FM members don't ever need to use restrooms? i guess you do, seeing how you keep expressing your extreme opinions about various FM members as absolute truths.

Originally Posted by secret love

But I have reserved making a final judgement on whether or not I like him until I get the chance to meet him, maybe.

why would you want to meet a guy who you so obviously dislike and are so deeply prejudiced against?

[secret love]

Originally Posted by elle

lol at your whole explanation - so how come you can't stop imagining LB peeing from just hearing someone yelling that was what he was doing, but sharing the restroom with bunch of other guys doesn't phase you? seriously, what do you expect? that FM members don't ever need to use restrooms? i guess you do, seeing how you keep expressing your extreme opinions about various FM members as absolute truths.


why would you want to meet a guy who you so obviously dislike and are so deeply prejudiced against?

Ah gawd. You clearly did not realise that much of my last comment/post was sarcastic and intended to be humorous. Americans like you, no offence, don't get the Aussie culture and...I have a sick sense of humour that is impossible to convey through online text. You'd have to meet me and listen to the tone of my voice as I say these things!

And lol...you're such a hypocrit Elle, you've made all the judgement about me without even knowing my real name (it's James) and then you get on your high horse and attack me for not being in love with Lindsey Buckingham and not thinking he's the best thing since sliced bread (as you clearly do).

It's actually just my opinion - and all I said was Lindsey seems like a dickhead. I've seen him publicly embarass people and rile people up for his own selfish reasons. And that's just what's on the public record in docos, interviews with the press and songs.

I would love to meet Lindsey Buckingham because he seems like such an odd man, and I'm curious to see what kind of person he is in real life, when he's not working.

Finally, I never decide whether I like or dislike somebody until I meet them in person. Clearly, Elle, the same cannot be said for you. All I did was express how Lindsey appears to behave in the media, onstage, in song and in documentaries and then state my opinion of that behaviour. It's not a crime for me to feel differently about Buckingham to how his fans do.

I'm not a fully-fledged Lindsey fan. But I definitely do not hate him...he gave us the guitars in Gypsy. He gave us Tusk! ...Anyway ... I'm lost on you Elle because apparently my "extreme views" don't resonate with you and that's a bad thing, apparently.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by secret love

Honestly, you have to understand, I don't think Lindsey is super-ugly. When I say ugly, I'm aware he is actually quite dashing and handsome. But to me he is not sexually attractive! And not just because he's a man, but because he just is not the kind of person I would be interested in, mainly because of the age difference and definitely because of his attitude to life and because of the way he treats the women in his life (no, not just Stevie, but past girlfriends and female friends too). Also he just seems like a dickhead. But I have reserved making a final judgement on whether or not I like him until I get the chance to meet him, maybe.

Originally Posted by secret love

Ah gawd. You clearly did not realise that much of my last comment/post was sarcastic and intended to be humorous. Americans like you, no offence, don't get the Aussie culture and...I have a sick sense of humour that is impossible to convey through online text. You'd have to meet me and listen to the tone of my voice as I say these things!

And lol...you're such a hypocrit Elle, you've made all the judgement about me without even knowing my real name (it's James) and then you get on your high horse and attack me for not being in love with Lindsey Buckingham and not thinking he's the best thing since sliced bread (as you clearly do).

It's actually just my opinion - and all I said was Lindsey seems like a dickhead. I've seen him publicly embarass people and rile people up for his own selfish reasons. And that's just what's on the public record in docos, interviews with the press and songs.

I would love to meet Lindsey Buckingham because he seems like such an odd man, and I'm curious to see what kind of person he is in real life, when he's not working.

Finally, I never decide whether I like or dislike somebody until I meet them in person. Clearly, Elle, the same cannot be said for you. All I did was express how Lindsey appears to behave in the media, onstage, in song and in documentaries and then state my opinion of that behaviour. It's not a crime for me to feel differently about Buckingham to how his fans do.

I'm not a fully-fledged Lindsey fan. But I definitely do not hate him...he gave us the guitars in Gypsy. He gave us Tusk! ...Anyway ... I'm lost on you Elle because apparently my "extreme views" don't resonate with you and that's a bad thing, apparently.

[justcrazylove]

Originally Posted by secret love

Ah gawd. You clearly did not realise that much of my last comment/post was sarcastic and intended to be humorous. Americans like you, no offence, don't get the Aussie culture and...I have a sick sense of humour that is impossible to convey through online text. You'd have to meet me and listen to the tone of my voice as I say these things!

And lol...you're such a hypocrit Elle, you've made all the judgement about me without even knowing my real name (it's James) and then you get on your high horse and attack me for not being in love with Lindsey Buckingham and not thinking he's the best thing since sliced bread (as you clearly do).

It's actually just my opinion - and all I said was Lindsey seems like a dickhead. I've seen him publicly embarass people and rile people up for his own selfish reasons. And that's just what's on the public record in docos, interviews with the press and songs.

I would love to meet Lindsey Buckingham because he seems like such an odd man, and I'm curious to see what kind of person he is in real life, when he's not working.

Finally, I never decide whether I like or dislike somebody until I meet them in person. Clearly, Elle, the same cannot be said for you. All I did was express how Lindsey appears to behave in the media, onstage, in song and in documentaries and then state my opinion of that behaviour. It's not a crime for me to feel differently about Buckingham to how his fans do.

I'm not a fully-fledged Lindsey fan. But I definitely do not hate him...he gave us the guitars in Gypsy. He gave us Tusk! ...Anyway ... I'm lost on you Elle because apparently my "extreme views" don't resonate with you and that's a bad thing, apparently.

woah woah woah... let's settle down there newbie, firstly don't use the Australian sense of humour as your out clause, i'm an Aussie, have met Lindsey and have been on this board for 10 years, Elle is one of the best posters on here, furthermore you seem quick to cast opinions on someone you have never met and yet fire up when someone does the same. Don't ever use sense of humour as a way of defending your opinions.

[secret love]

Originally Posted by justcrazylove

woah woah woah... let's settle down there newbie, firstly don't use the Australian sense of humour as your out clause, i'm an Aussie, have met Lindsey and have been on this board for 10 years, Elle is one of the best posters on here, furthermore you seem quick to cast opinions on someone you have never met and yet fire up when someone does the same. Don't ever use sense of humour as a way of defending your opinions.

All I am saying is that I would love to meet Lindsey and get to know the real Linds. That way I could see what type of person he is. Also, stop deliberately misinterpreting every comment I am making. Read what I say and understand without prejudice, please, that is all I ask.

He seems like a dickhead. Not he is one, he appears to be one from what I have seen of him. I am sure that this is just the media's portrayal of him. And if I meet the guy I'd probably discover he's an awesome person! hence why I want to meet him...duh...

I am not using my sense of humour as a way of defending my opinions. My views on Lindsey are not well-informed. That is why I want to know the real person he is, outside the public eye. But that will probably never happen. He does not do Australian tours as far as I know (and if he did I would actually be the first to buy tickets...)

And...what ever happened to a little fantasy being a good thing? I like to romanticise Lindsey and Stevie's relationship in my head, as a story through song. But...

at the same time...I am acutely aware that Stevie is a strong and confident 65 year old grown woman. And Lindsey is a 63 year old mature, seasoned professional musician with a wife, kids, lots of friends...probably a great guy.

He just appears to sometimes forget about people's feelings when he is caught up in creating "artwork" (studio recordings). Refer to his comments in Destiny Rules doco re: double album. Linds wanted a double album. That is, 18 songs but spread across 2 CDs charged at a premium price.

Maybe we would have received additional music if Lindsey had got his way. I actually support him on this one. But I do not support the pressure he put on the rest of the band for the double album idea. It caused friction as you can see in the doco and in interviews with the press.

Just because I don't always agree with Lindsey, and just because I think sometimes he is mean - this does not mean he is a dickhead. Sorry, bad choice of words. What I've been getting at is: how odd his relationship with Stevie and other women appears to have been. I am happy that he is now content and married with children, life has been kind to him. And he is no doubt a great guy. But I don't know him. So how can I support any opinions I have of him with evidence until I meet the bloke (Lindsey)?

That is my point: I only know a very limited amount about who Lindsey is, what he's like. And well...that's why I want to meet Mr Buckingham!!


I'm dreadfully sorry that everyone has been so upset by my comments, more important I'm sorry that I was unable to clearly express myself and say what I really think.

And also, yes Stevie's songs on SYW were good. But they were not how she wanted them to be. She was unhappy with the production. Not the lyrics, not even the music really. And it is nobody's fault. Things just didn't work out...and the result is: an 18-track album which I personally LOVE but Stevie dislikes, Lindsey loves and don't know about Mick or John - they tend to be somewhat impartial in the press. John lives a very private life. And Mick just wants to make new music and tour as long as is possible. He loves it so good on him.