Charlotte, North Carolina June 24, 2013

WildHearted · #1 06-30-2013, 07:28 PM

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maybe i'm using the wrong expression. to me, GDW is Stevie's most rock song ever. not pop, not folk, not adult contemporary... rock. period. a single song in my mind deserving of her rock queen title. i can look over everything else i don't like because there's GDW.

i understand what you guys are saying about moody, mystic, performance artsy, etc... but that is the part of SN i personally don't care about, even though i guess it's what attracts so many of you to her writing and public persona. i care about several songs that are either beautiful ballads with universal timeless meaning, or a few songs that are rock. those are GDW and SOTM, in my book. stretching them back to moody ruins it for me. i want them to stay rock, or jazzy is fine too.

you all have all other songs of hers that you love... but she has taken away one of just a few songs that i loved with doing what she's doing on this current tour.

This is why I hate genre labeling - generally when I think rock, I think ZZ Top sort of stuff that I don't particularly care for, so my natural tendency wouldn't be to lump a majority of Stevie's stuff in with that...

So do you think Edge of Seventeen is just a pop song or what?

I just personally don't think that GDW is all THAT much different than it has been in the past. There's the extended ending, yes, but it's not as if she's stopped the wails, cut out all the guitars, and stripped it down to a piano ballad.

It's still intense to me.

To each their own, and all. It blew me away when I saw it, but then again, I like the song with just an acoustic guitar too so maybe I'm just not very selective.

elle · #2 06-30-2013, 08:17 PM

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This is why I hate genre labeling -

agree re genre labeling and i cannot say that i'm very good at it either. just trying to express what i'm thinking the best way i can...

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my natural tendency wouldn't be to lump a majority of Stevie's stuff in with that...

agree, most of Stevie's stuff is not rock in my mind, whichever way i've seen rock defined.

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So do you think Edge of Seventeen is just a pop song or what?

i'd say it's a great [rocking] pop song, yes.

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I just personally don't think that GDW is all THAT much different than it has been in the past. There's the extended ending, yes, but it's not as if she's stopped the wails, cut out all the guitars, and stripped it down to a piano ballad.

It's still intense to me.

i'm with you that the first part of the song is still as it was in the past (still i do miss 2009 jazzed up guitar version throughout; hoping against hope that will show up in Europe maybe?)... but the song is now >11 minutes long and by youtube vids timing the last part with no music whatsoever is about 1.5 minute. so this last part is what bothers me. by the time the song comes to a close, i have forgotten how great it was when it started over 10 minutes earlier.

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Tthen again, I like the song with just an acoustic guitar too so maybe I'm just not very selective.

i don't think i've heard that, can you link me up?

WildHearted · #3 06-30-2013, 08:49 PM

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i don't think i've heard that, can you link me up?

I'd forgotten - there's actually drums too (minimally).

elle · #4 06-30-2013, 09:17 PM

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I'd forgotten - there's actually drums too (minimally).

thanks so much!

so yeah, this version i would never call rocking. it's way too perky for me. sounds folksy too (i don't mind perky or folksy but not for this song). always interesting to hear how a song develops. i think i eventually always have a version of a particular song as the representative of that song in my mind. like TTWLG the album version is not definitive version of that song for me, live version that i heard first will always be it.

michelej1 · #5 06-30-2013, 09:15 PM

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I just personally don't think that GDW is all THAT much different than it has been in the past. There's the extended ending, yes, but it's not as if she's stopped the wails, cut out all the guitars, and stripped it down to a piano ballad.

It's still intense to me.

I agree. I'm personally not a fan of Stevie's poses and shawls. That's why I've been known to spend vast portions of Rhiannon knitting. But to me GDW's mood and atmosphere is not based on any of her silhouette acrobats. It's based on emotion and that has not changed for me. That has not lessened. I don't think its power is that different from what it always has been, extended ending or not.

Michele

elle · #6 06-30-2013, 09:20 PM

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I agree. I'm personally not a fan of Stevie's poses and shawls. That's why I've been known to spend vast portions of Rhiannon knitting.

michelej1 · #7 06-30-2013, 09:28 PM

^But I should say that I love the song Rhiannon. I have just thought that live versions became all form and no substance there for awhile: I can't do the exorcism anymore, so look at my batwing sleeves. I'm not complaining about the song so much this tour though, but there have been some dry years . . .

Michele

elle · #8 06-30-2013, 09:37 PM

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^But I should say that I love the song Rhiannon. I have just thought that live versions became all form and no substance there for awhile: I can't do the exorcism anymore, so look at my batwing sleeves. I'm not complaining about the song so much this tour though, but there have been some dry years . . .

Michele

hey, you won't find me complaining about Rhiannon this tour - lots of guitar beating and humping, going on longer and longer, to keep me entertained

(we need a gif of that!!)

that said i can't believe how Mick can stay serious while Lindsey is doing that right by him.... i'd literally die laughing if i was him.

michelej1 · #9 06-30-2013, 09:41 PM

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hey, you won't find me complaining about Rhiannon this tour - lots of guitar beating and humping, going on longer and longer, to keep me entertained

(we need a gif of that!!)

You know those "vines" on Twitter? They are 6 seconds long. There could be a vine that starts off with Lindsey's antics on Rhiannon and then culminates with his ISA climax.

Michele

elle · #10 06-30-2013, 09:49 PM

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You know those "vines" on Twitter? They are 6 seconds long. There could be a vine that starts off with Lindsey's antics on Rhiannon and then culminates with his ISA climax.

Michele

good idea! you wanna try and make one? although don't think the app would hold on for over an hr between the start and the end of the the same vine recording. but... we can record a vine using vids on the computer! actually maybe i should try that, i even have both rhiannon humping and ISA climax (with the fall!) from the same show!

SadAngel86 · #11 07-07-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elle

hey, you won't find me complaining about Rhiannon this tour - lots of guitar beating and humping, going on longer and longer, to keep me entertained

(we need a gif of that!!)

that said i can't believe how Mick can stay serious while Lindsey is doing that right by him.... i'd literally die laughing if i was him.

Here you go elle! I just happened to be scrolling through this thread and saw your request(?).....