Pollstar Top Twenty Concerts

[redbird]

Yes you're right, a lot of artists peak at a certain stage. But then there are new artists who take their place. For me country mostly stopped giving me that in an available radio format.

"I Feel Lucky" was a damn fine song, as is any song that name drops Lyle Lovett and Dwight Yoakam I mean, substantial, no, but it was really just a party song, it sounded great and the lyrics weren't at all awkward and had their own sort of ambition. Like "Down at the Twist and Shout".

[Iktomi]

But even if there are a lot of hybrid genres now, I don't think that necessarily eats in to bedrock of country establishment. I grew up a fan of country radio, I adored Dwight Yoakam and Patty Loveless and all that, and I really can't stand country radio now. It seems to me there are far more mainstream country songs associated stridently and unsubtly (to the point of lyrical clunkiness) with things like patriotism, uncultured-and-proud-of-it attitudes, I'm-just-a-small-town-boy/girl sentiments, etc. Not all of it is stuff that offends me or anything, but I did feel it's kind of an in-your-face "Don't mistake which side of the culture war I'm on".

As a fan of old country music and early 90's country music, I COMPLETELY agree with you on this. While I did enjoy Shania Twain and Garth Brooks, country music really changed directions after them, particularly in the late 90s, and then it changed again post-911.

I'm from a tribal community, and country music and rap were both huge here in the 80s and 90s, and it's probably one of the few places where rap songs would play right after country songs. And I think country music was very popular with Native people because it often spoke to our rural lives, our relationships, and our familial values, but the music then rarely ever had the nationalistic leanings that it now has today. The music I hear today doesn't really relate to my rural, country life, as a Native person, because these songs come primarily from a "white" small-town, nationalistic perspective. This music, as you mentioned, pits me against it, and excludes me culturally. The old country music didn't have the same political and nationalistic elements to it either that is so common now. If it did have patriotic elements to it, it wasn't done in a way that felt divisive or exclusive, or felt self-righteous. Songs like Time Marches On or Where the Corn Don't Grow have that same sense of humility and simplicity that I find always found endearing within the genre.

In regards to Taylor Swift, Kenny Chesney, Keith Urban, etc. I don't even touch that stuff. That's not country music, but I think most older country music fans recognize that to some degree.

[Iktomi]

BTW, thanks Redbird! You articulated so well the social and cultural changes that have occurred within country music. I just tried to have a conversation with a friend about the politicization of country music, but I couldn't quite articulate any of it. But here you are explaining it all to me! Thanks

[jwd]

Is there really that much Bon Jovi love in the world? That really surprised me!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by redbird

Yes you're right, a lot of artists peak at a certain stage. But then there are new artists who take their place. For me country mostly stopped giving me that in an available radio format.

"I Feel Lucky" was a damn fine song, as is any song that name drops Lyle Lovett and Dwight Yoakam

Yes, the namedropping itself has become a cottage industry. Sometimes I think they believe they've finished writing a song and have done their job, if they just throw in a Hank Williams reference.

Thinking of the concert figures, I'm not surprised about Taylor Swift because of her age demographic. I think young people will go see anyone in concert (i.e. Justin Bieber). It doesn't matter what kind of show they put on. But I guess I am surprised that the older country stars are selling out arenas.

As far as available radio formats go, it makes me wonder what's out there that you have to explore in order to find. I've never looked. It's easy to find traditional country on Sirius/XM so you can listen to classic music from the legends 24/7. But are there new country artists out there who are creating old school country music, but just aren't getting the airplay or exposure? Like a country version of indie, maybe. I don't know, because I've never really tried to find them.

I like music that tells a story and country seems to do that more than other genres. I think that's why I veer to it. One of my earliest musical memories is the pop song Honey by Bobby Goldsboro and I would cry every time I heard it. There are a lot of country songs that follow that format, introduction, dramatic event, conclusion and I remain a sucker for it. Actually, I like Michael Jackson's Billie Jean because it tells a story too. I'm kind of easy that way.

Michele

[Iktomi]

Originally Posted by michelej1

But are there new country artists out there who are creating old school country music, but just aren't getting the airplay or exposure? Like a country version of indie, maybe. I don't know, because I've never really tried to find them.

I like music that tells a story and country seems to do that more than other genres. I think that's why I veer to it. One of my earliest musical memories is the pop song Honey by Bobby Goldsboro and I would cry every time I heard it. There are a lot of country songs that follow that format, introduction, dramatic event, conclusion and I remain a sucker for it. Actually, I like Michael Jackson's Billie Jean because it tells a story too. I'm kind of easy that way.

Michele

That's an interesting idea, in regards to new artists creating old school country music. I think there are still old artists creating old school country music, but unless you're a big draw (like George Strait or Alan Jackson), you're not going to get radio play. Although, I think I'd be a little weary towards new artists creating old school sounding country music, probably since I've become more skeptical towards country music. I think I'd honestly wonder if the sound is really a genuine reflection of the artist, or is it being used as a way to gain "street cred" or to just stand out from the mainstream (in an attention-seeking way).

I'm with you on loving music that tells a story, and country does seem to do that very well. Personally, I've always had a love for its murder-ballads and the songs that would engage with my fears of isolation and loneliness. Long Black Veil by Lefty Frizzell seems to combine all of those things into one song. Actually, sometimes it's not necessarily even the words that have to tell the story, but the music itself that can give me that same feeling. Time Precious Time is a song that for some reason reminds me of driving on isolated country roads here in nowhere South Dakota. Actually, I feel that quite a few of his songs have a way of telling an emotional story just through the structure of the song and the music itself. I've always loved songs where the sound of the guitar can give you a feeling that sometimes elaborates or causes you to doubt that lyrics in the song- i.e. the tension I get from hearing sad or angry lyrics over happy and catchy melodies. Lindsey does that really well.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Iktomi

Actually, sometimes it's not necessarily even the words that tell the story, but the music itself that can give me that same feeling. Time Precious Time is a song that for some reason reminds me of driving on isolated country roads here in nowhere South Dakota.

Yes, sometimes lyrics are very evocative, but sometimes it's really the vocal (combined with the music) that brings a sentiment home and for me that happens a lot in country not because of the twangy accent, but because there's often a roughness to a country vocal, where the singer sounds either old or tired or hoarse and it gives me this sense that they're a little world weary or emotionally spent or breaking. Loss seems more palpable. It adds extra gravitas to the song's words and music, somehow, even if they're very simple. Or maybe it's because they're very simple.

I cried when George Jones died, not because I was saddened by his passing, but because they kept playing "He Stopped Loving her Today" and that song and the way he sang it still gets to me.

But Stevie can do that with a vocal too. That's why as awful as the Gate and Garden lyrics are, I can get wrapped up in the passionate way she says "do I love you, well I always did. Nobody knows nothing about it . . ."

I like murder ballads too. Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town is a favorite. Ode to Billie Joe. The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia.

Michele

[QueenStevie]

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[redbird]

Originally Posted by michelej1

But are there new country artists out there who are creating old school country music, but just aren't getting the airplay or exposure? Like a country version of indie, maybe. I don't know, because I've never really tried to find them.

Well personally I'm not a strict traditionalist-only person when it comes to country music. As long as it's well written and well sung and has something of value to it in general (and everyone's values in music differs, of course). I don't mind countrypolitan or country-rock or such in themselves, I just don't like the bad writing and posturing that I guess I felt became more prominent on country radio. But the bad writing part, I'm sure, is not limited to country. Like you said with the Taylor Swift example there are a lot of things going on across genres.

As for country indie, well alternative country has been a thing since around the time alternative rock started becoming mainstream, and there is such a thing as indie folk, but it's not really neotraditional. Alt. country can have a similar appeal to traditional country, but it can also be country that likes to mix with other genres besides just pop (like punk).

I have a soft spot for FM radio, I miss the days when I could just turn on the station in the car to a great song. But yes internet radio has been an option for a while and it (plus more spending money and access to record stores) is what's allowed me to keep my love of country music going as I've gotten older. I just hate the whole elite = good/mainstream = bad divide and I wish that mainstream radio could be less homogenized. But that's the same old story for a lot of radio formats.

[michelej1]

Other than my news station, I don't even listen to terrestial radio any more. I don't even know what station country is on. I turned off when the Dixie Chicks were played twice an hour and then they were erased from the format altogether, overnight and I don't believe that was the will of most listeners. They were blacklisted to quiet the protests of a minority. Within 2 years after that censorship wave, the longtime country stations in Los Angeles actually were replaced with something else.

Now, there are 3 stations I listen to on XM/Sirius, 57, 58 and 59 and I go back and forth between those. When a song comes on that I don't like, I switch the dial up or down. That's why I don't hear Lady Antebellum. Even though they're played a lot, I just turn to one of the other stations when they come on. When Stevie duets with them, the content is going to be a complete surprise to me.

But I do know there are other country stations that are less homogenous than those 3 on satellite that are available. I haven't tried them out. I guess I just take the Pontoon that's handed to me.

Michele

[michelej1]

http://news.investors.com/newsfeed-a...-pollstar.aspx

The Top 20 Concert Tours ranks artists by average box office gross per city and includes the average ticket price for shows in North America. The previous week's ranking is in parentheses. The list is based on data provided to the trade publication Pollstar by concert promoters and venue managers.

1. (1) The Rolling Stones; $7,969,276; $346.09.

2. (2) Taylor Swift; $2,774,218; $86.95.

3. (3) Kenny Chesney; $2,167,270; $76.33.

4. (4) Fleetwood Mac; $1,367,517; $107.85.

5. (5) Dave Matthews Band; $1,241,722; $54.62.

6. (6) Justin Bieber; $1,165,093; $80.54.

7. (10) Jason Aldean; $1,017,425; $61.43.

8. (7) New Kids On The Block; $838,685; $66.04.

9. (8) Tim McGraw; $575,811; $36.47.

10. (9) Brad Paisley; $568,346; $36.19.

11. (11) Carrie Underwood; $520,651; $65.05.

12. (12) Widespread Panic; $396,997; $46.52.

13. (13) Barry Manilow; $350,088; $61.19.

14. (14) Motley Crue; $329,192; $75.94.

15. (15) Styx / REO Speedwagon / Ted Nugent; $208,359; $37.85.

16. (18) Bassnectar; $171,548; $34.95.

17. (19) Willie Nelson; $164,400; $54.31.

18. (20) Il Divo; $162,835; $81.55.

19. (22) Chicago; $147,311; $50.45.

20. (new) Juanes; $146,949; $53.31.


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[Macfanforever]

Wow they move up a notch from 5 to 4.{I sound like Casey Kasem}

Thats great for FM.

The Stones are still hot.They will hot for years to come.


Again I'm glad to see the country artists on the top then any other current pop artists.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

Wow they move up a notch from 5 to 4.{I sound like Casey Kasem}

The dollar amount listed is for just one show, not the whole tour as the article title states.

[michelej1]

http://www.bloomberglaw.com/exp/ewog...J2IjogIjEiCn0K

Aug 02 2013 10:11:28

By The Associated Press
(AP) -- The Top 20 Concert Tours ranks artists by average box office gross per city and includes the average ticket price for shows in North America. The previous week's ranking is in parentheses. The list is based on data provided to the trade publication Pollstar by concert promoters and venue managers.

1. (1) The Rolling Stones; $7,969,276; $346.09.

2. (2) Taylor Swift; $3,092,783; $86.73.

3. (3) Kenny Chesney; $2,157,820; $74.97.

4. (4) Fleetwood Mac; $1,367,517; $107.85.

5. (5) Dave Matthews Band; $1,209,646; $54.43.

6. (6) Justin Bieber; $1,165,093; $80.54.

7. (7) Jason Aldean; $1,017,425; $61.43.

8. (8) New Kids On The Block; $830,439; $65.06.

9. (9) Tim McGraw; $578,200; $37.60.

10. (10) Brad Paisley; $568,346; $36.19.

11. (11) Carrie Underwood; $520,651; $65.05.

12. (12) Widespread Panic; $391,954; $46.27.

13. (13) Barry Manilow; $350,088; $61.19.

14. (14) Mötley Crüe; $329,192; $75.94.

15. (15) Styx / REO Speedwagon / Ted Nugent; $208,359; $37.85.

16. (New) Hillsong United; $197,990; $31.04.

17. (New) Darius Rucker; $191,717; $39.60.

18. (16) Bassnectar; $171,548; $34.95.

19. (18) Il Divo; $162,835; $81.55.

20. (17) Willie Nelson; $160,635; $55.43.

[michelej1]

http://www.kimt.com/2013/08/23/top-2...om-pollstar-6/
Top 20 Concert Tours from Pollstar

By The Associated PressPublished: Friday, August 23, 2013, 11:36 am

The Top 20 Concert Tours ranks artists by average box office gross per city and includes the average ticket price for shows in North America. The previous week’s ranking is in parentheses. The list is based on data provided to the trade publication Pollstar by concert promoters and venue managers.

1. (2) Paul McCartney; $3,620,049; $131.27.

2. (3) Taylor Swift; $3,126,773; $86.58.

3. (4) Kenny Chesney; $2,182,829; $75.32.

4. (New) One Direction; $1,805,905; $65.73.

5. (5) Fleetwood Mac; $1,427,403; $110.90.

6. (6) Phish; $1,391,413; $48.76.

7. (7) Justin Bieber; $1,225,230; $80.77.

8. (8) Dave Matthews Band; $1,134,333; $55.10.

9. (9) Bruno Mars; $1,027,571; $71.30.

10. (10) New Kids On The Block; $807,690; $65.24.

11. (11) Blake Shelton; $672,657; $32.24.

12. (12) Tim McGraw; $603,511; $38.11.

13. (14) Rascal Flatts; $567,025; $40.02.

14. (13) Brad Paisley; $551,796; $36.88.

15. (17) Widespread Panic; $376,122; $47.11.

16. (18) Bad Company / Lynyrd Skynyrd ; $311,304; $31.44.

17. (19) The Postal Service; $230,087; $40.66.

18. (New) Imagine Dragons; $203,574; $34.34.

19. (22) Hillsong United; $197,990; $31.04.

20. (New) Alice In Chains; $175,522; $49.24.