Say You Will sales ten years after release

[jcalzaretta]

Why would there be no audit? I would have thought it was automatic but it sounds as if someone needs to request? I would think Fleetwood Mac would want it for Rumours and Landslide. I have to think Rumours has sold another million since 2003 (last time it was certified).

[kak125]

Originally Posted by jcalzaretta

Why would there be no audit? I would have thought it was automatic but it sounds as if someone needs to request? I would think Fleetwood Mac would want it for Rumours and Landslide. I have to think Rumours has sold another million since 2003 (last time it was certified).

i think they would have to pay for an audit and i guess nobody is going to do that. ugh!

[dreamer78]

they are still getting the money right?
any body know if they get something that shows them what the check is for ? like this amount for this album , etc?

[jcalzaretta]

Seems like Mick would want to know the status. This is his legacy.

[bethelblues]

Looking back on this album, I think it could've been great, maybe even without Christine's participation. I know some say her presence was needed to bring balance to the different styles, reign in Lindsey's material and more esoteric choices.

Instead of 18 songs, there should have been 10 or 11, which would've made it more definitive and streamlined to listen to. Maybe a shorter run time would've helped it reach platinum status with better critical reviews?? Maybe then they could've gotten some Grammy traction?? I fully believe the order should have been changed up to make it seem a little more cohesive, and not the two separate solo records critique everyone seems to give. I'm sure some of you disagree but I would've preferred Thrown Down as the first track, since I love the opening guitar part/instrumental that builds over several bars. It also didn't help that Stevie wasn't happy with the production of her songs, one small public example we all have being the Thrown Down incident. But I have to agree, some of the production choices were odd, and not just for her songs. I can't listen to this version of Bleed to Love Her or Say Goodbye. The former is way over-produced and is missing the raw passion of The Dance performance, and why Lindsey sped up the latter one doesn't make any sense to me. It loses the power and time for the listener to comprehend the song's meaning and lyrics. Two goodbye tracks at the end only solidifies the disparity, that each songwriter needed their own ending to the album. I'm sure some of you have some opinions on the album too...overall, I see the potential is there, and I can definitely see why some say the work is underrated. I only wish in hindsight they had made a few different choices, as the reception might have been more positive and then we might've seen another album sooner.

[bluefox4000]

This album crushed my hopes for a FM sans Christine. I know this album introduced a lot of people to the Mac, But.....man did it not work for me. I call it the solo mash-up. Still does not work for me, ten years on. I still have the album cause i'm a completest.....but it gathers dust.

Mick

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by bluefox4000

This album crushed my hopes for a FM sans Christine. I know this album introduced a lot of people to the Mac, But.....man did it not work for me. I call it the solo mash-up. Still does not work for me, ten years on. I still have the album cause i'm a completest.....but it gathers dust.

Mick

I don't think works either. They didn't harmonize like they are doing on Extended Play. It was too long and they didn't sound like a group. I like a lot of the songs on it, but as a cohesive Fleetwood Mac, no way. It was two solo albums meshed together. I'm really liking what I"m hearing on EP though.

[seekerj]

Originally Posted by bluefox4000

This album crushed my hopes for a FM sans Christine. I know this album introduced a lot of people to the Mac, But.....man did it not work for me. I call it the solo mash-up. Still does not work for me, ten years on. I still have the album cause i'm a completest.....but it gathers dust.

Mick

I just don't understand why only this particular album gets called out for this. When were any albums "cohesive", and if so, what about them was cohesive? The music, the arrangements, the lyrics... what? To me, all Rumours-era line-up FM albums, having three songwriters, have always had a "separate" feeling to the songs. And that's a good thing, and it's why I was attracted to the band in the first place. I'm sorry, but Monday Morning does not sound like Sugar Daddy to me. Second Hand News does not sound like Songbird. Think About Me does not sound like Beautiful Child. And anything by Stevie or Christine on Mirage does not sound like any of Lindsey's songs on Mirage. (Actually, nothing on this planet sounds like Lindsey's Mirage songs.)

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by bethelblues

Looking back on this album, I think it could've been great, maybe even without Christine's participation. I know some say her presence was needed to bring balance to the different styles, reign in Lindsey's material and more esoteric choices.

Instead of 18 songs, there should have been 10 or 11, which would've made it more definitive and streamlined to listen to. Maybe a shorter run time would've helped it reach platinum status with better critical reviews?? Maybe then they could've gotten some Grammy traction?? I fully believe the order should have been changed up to make it seem a little more cohesive, and not the two separate solo records critique everyone seems to give. I'm sure some of you disagree but I would've preferred Thrown Down as the first track, since I love the opening guitar part/instrumental that builds over several bars. It also didn't help that Stevie wasn't happy with the production of her songs, one small public example we all have being the Thrown Down incident. But I have to agree, some of the production choices were odd, and not just for her songs. I can't listen to this version of Bleed to Love Her or Say Goodbye. The former is way over-produced and is missing the raw passion of The Dance performance, and why Lindsey sped up the latter one doesn't make any sense to me. It loses the power and time for the listener to comprehend the song's meaning and lyrics. Two goodbye tracks at the end only solidifies the disparity, that each songwriter needed their own ending to the album. I'm sure some of you have some opinions on the album too...overall, I see the potential is there, and I can definitely see why some say the work is underrated. I only wish in hindsight they had made a few different choices, as the reception might have been more positive and then we might've seen another album sooner.

Great points! One of the advantages to trimming SYW down to 10 or 11 songs would have been enough leftover songs to release a follow-up album the following year. The 7/8 songs, plus the extra two tracks from the Deluxe version of SYW.

Alternatively, we could have had singles with real b-sides, or a E.P in 2004 or 2005. Lots of options.

All in all, I like SYW, I think it's a strong album, and while it does indeed sound like two solo albums mashed together, I sort of like that it has a he-said she-said back and forth feel to it.

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

Great points! One of the advantages to trimming SYW down to 10 or 11 songs would have been enough leftover songs to release a follow-up album the following year. The 7/8 songs, plus the extra two tracks from the Deluxe version of SYW.

Alternatively, we could have had singles with real b-sides, or a E.P in 2004 or 2005. Lots of options.

All in all, I like SYW, I think it's a strong album, and while it does indeed sound like two solo albums mashed together, I sort of like that it has a he-said she-said back and forth feel to it.

I get why some would say Lindsey's tracks sound like a solo album....because they were recorded with that intent and Stevie was shoe horned in after the fact. Most of them any way. But Stevie's songs were recorded for Fleetwood Mac (and some even written with the band in mind) and arranged and produced by Lindsey. What did they have to sound like to not sound like a solo project?

[TheSorcerer]

Two of my favourite Fleetwood Mac songs appear on Say You Will - Illume and Steal Your Heart Away. The main problem with the album is that it's bloated and full of filler. If they had cut maybe 6 tracks and kept 12 it would have been a really strong album.

My ideal 12 track album would be:

What's the World Coming to
Illume
Thrown Down
Miranda
Say You Will
Peacekeeper
Come
Running Through the Garden
Steal Your Heart Away
bleed to love her
Destiny Rules
Goodbye Baby

I do prefer the version of Thrown Down that Stevie recorded during the TISL album sessions to the one on SYW. It's definitely a better album than The Eagles comeback album in 2007. That was a bloody snoozefest.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by bethelblues

Instead of 18 songs, there should have been 10 or 11, which would've made it more definitive and streamlined to listen to. Maybe a shorter run time would've helped it reach platinum status

A lot of the fans feel this way but I am thrilled with the amount of songs they gave us. I'd be thrilled with a five album pack of songs from them released at the same time. There is something on there to appeal to all our taste buds. Silver Hurl is the only song I'm not fond of.
To make an album go platinum, the correct song has to be a single. Not since the Tango album have FM or Warner Bros. figured out which song(s) that would be. They should poll us first.

I also wanted to say that I am thrilled with you as a new member. I love reading your opinions on everything Fleetwood Mac.

[bethelblues]

Originally Posted by vivfox

A lot of the fans feel this way but I am thrilled with the amount of songs they gave us. I'd be thrilled with a five album pack of songs from them released at the same time. There is something on there to appeal to all our taste buds. Silver Hurl is the only song I'm not fond of.
To make an album go platinum, the correct song has to be a single. Not since the Tango album have FM or Warner Bros. figured out which song(s) that would be. They should poll us first.

I also wanted to say that I am thrilled with you as a new member. I love reading your opinions on everything Fleetwood Mac.

I wonder, on this record, what do you think the right single would've been? Say You Will probably got the most playtime, right? But Peacekeeper did chart on the hot 100.

Thanks for the comment. I was compelled to post after I saw the show in New York. I wish Fleetwood Mac listened more to the fans as bands like the Stones have done. It is disappointing that they aren't run as efficiently as they could be, taking full advantage of more than just one of their great albums and their various sounds. There's so much there...maybe if some of us have good ideas, it'll get back to them.

Two such ideas of mine: 1. Cut a new album, dialogue it with Rumours as a view of their relationships many years later, about change and reunion, coming back together...2. Bring back Fireflies (I love the lyrics of the fireflies drawn to the light, all together), and put all effort into getting Christine back onboard.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by vivfox

A lot of the fans feel this way but I am thrilled with the amount of songs they gave us.

True. In Michigan there is a deli that my mom complains about. She says, "the food is good, but they just put too much meat in the sandwiches. It makes them really hard to eat." My uncle and grandmother would look at her and say, "Who complains about their being too much meat in a sandwich!" That's what I think when people say that about SYW.

But it was a badly sequenced album. The close works for me. In fact, those 2 songs following each other makes me like both of them better than I would have separately. But that's a horrendous way to open the album. I'm not criticizing the songs themselves (although I don't like WTWCT) but the trio combo was fatal. That's not the way to lure any listener in.

Then, you have Running Through the Garden and Silver Girl back to back as well. I don't think Stevie is an album sequencer and she may never have sequenced any album at all, so, I'm not saying the tracklisting needed her touch, but whoever slapped it together (Lindsey?) needed somebody's help quite badly.

Michele

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by kak125

i think they would have to pay for an audit and i guess nobody is going to do that. ugh!

Why bother at this point? It's not like they have anything to prove. If it were me I'd just sit back and collect the checks.