Message from Wendy Welch (re: BW RRHOF induction)

[BombaySapphire3]

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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall

Shame on Mick Fleetwood for keeping our favorite band together through drugs, affairs, solo careers, etc. Perhaps he should have broken up the band for good after Tusk? Spare us of those worthless top hits such as Gypsy, Hold Me, Big Love, Little Lies, Billy, Rick, Dave, and Bekka's worthless talents, the Dance reunion(who needs Silver Springs live), Say You Will, unleashed tour, and the upcoming Mac tour that I'm sure will be a worldwide success.

Hey you left out the chart topping masterpiece "Time" and it's prestigious tour playing a bill with Reo Speedwagon

[MacShadowsBall]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

That's not the point. The point is leaving people out.

I understand. I just don't like to see Mick Fleetwood getting all this hate he seems to get over the years, not just over this Bob Welch HOF situation.

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

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Hey you left out the chart topping masterpiece "Time" and it's prestigious tour playing a bill with Reo Speedwagon

I mentioned Dave and Bekka by name leaving out "Time". Adding in one of Mac's worst albums would have completely screwed up my point.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall

I understand. I just don't like to see Mick Fleetwood getting all this hate he seems to get over the years, not just over this Bob Welch HOF situation.



I mentioned Dave and Bekka by name leaving out "Time". Adding in one of Mac's worst albums would have completely screwed up my point.

Well, Mick doesn't get all the hate, he's just being called on when mistakes are made. He says he's the bandleader and since he's more present than John, he gets criticized. Leaving Bob out of the RRHOF was a big mistake and he's being called out for it.

I thought I missed something your list

[MacShadowsBall]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

Well, Mick doesn't get all the hate, he's just being called on when mistakes are made. He says he's the bandleader and since he's more present than John, he gets criticized. Leaving Bob out of the RRHOF was a big mistake and he's being called out for it.

I just don't believe that Mick and/or Christine had more to do with Bob Welch's omission than the actual HOF people, at least according to that article posted a few days back.

Does anyone here know somebody who perhaps knows somebody from the HOF or an artist(s) that has had dealings with the RRHOF? It would be great to hear something current in how the RRHOF works.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall

I just don't believe that Mick and/or Christine had more to do with Bob Welch's omission than the actual HOF people, at least according to that article posted a few days back.

I don't blame Mick for this RRHOF thing. But he's done enough to get blamed for over the years. I'm not thinking he's been mistreated and falsely maligned and fans need to make amends to the poor mite or anything.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Hey you left out the chart topping masterpiece "Time" and it's prestigious tour playing a bill with Reo Speedwagon

When will Chiffon-heads realize that there was never a tour in support of "Time", and that ALL of the shows Fleetwood Mac did with Bramlett and Mason were BEFORE the album even came out? Why does it matter what tour the band's on if they're not supporting a new record?

[chriskisn]

as they say there are three sides to every story - yours, mine and the truth.

Most of us believe that Bob should have been included, some of us believe a lot of members were unfairly excluded (Bob is just probably the most obvious), but as we have only heard one side of the story, I'd be hesitant to say we know all the facts.

[seekerj]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

When will Chiffon-heads realize that there was never a tour in support of "Time", and that ALL of the shows Fleetwood Mac did with Bramlett and Mason were BEFORE the album even came out? Why does it matter what tour the band's on if they're not supporting a new record?

When that derogatory term stops being used.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by seekerj

When that derogatory term stops being used.

Don't fret ..it is more than likely that in 100 years from now when FM and the rest of us are gone that the only thing the band will be remembered for is an acoustic deep cut from side two of the first album of the dreaded "Rumours" lineup"..break out the chiffon platforms and tamborine.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

When will Chiffon-heads realize that there was never a tour in support of "Time", and that ALL of the shows Fleetwood Mac did with Bramlett and Mason were BEFORE the album even came out? Why does it matter what tour the band's on if they're not supporting a new record?

I am a "chiffonhead" and was one of the few chiffonheads on this board who went to see the Time lineup in concert. I can't say I agree entirely with your summation that the band didn't tour in support of Time. The band mentioned the upcoming album & it's approximate release date several times during my Raleigh, NC show. There's no doubt in my mind the Time tour was a vehicle to introduce the new lineup, and prime the pump for sales when the new album dropped. I think they knew that with the big change in personnel, they HAD to introduce the world to the new Fleetwood Mac with familiar material before dropping an album with such different personnel. Which is exactly what they did; they made sure it was known this was a new chapter of Fleetwood Mac, and to buy their upcoming album.

Something that pre Rumours fans seem to have a hard time reconciling is that by the mid 1990s, the definition of Fleetwood Mac was no longer fluid like it was during the early 1970s. The band had been around for nearly 3 decades at that point, and the Rumours lineup was the longest lived incarnation. The fact the Rumours album outsold every other Mac album combined to this day also helped cement in the public's mind who Fleetwood Mac was. To the general public, drummers, bass players, etc are interchangeable. It's the singer/songwriters who define a band. Just look at bands like Heart & Blondie. The only thing they have in common with their earlier incarnations are their lead singers. By replacing Lindsey & Stevie, the Time lineup never had a chance. They were long before established as being the core of the band, despite Mick & John being it's namesakes. You can't even say Mick & John were the founders of Fleetwood Mac... that distinction goes to Peter Green, who was little known to Americans, and had exited the band some 25 years before the Time era commenced.

[aleuzzi]

I forget how we got here, moving from a discussion about The Bob Welch RRHOF snub to a critique of Time and "chiffon heads" but I suppose in the world of Fleetwood Mac all is relevant at all times.

I thought Bekka was an intriguing choice, not a mistake or miscalculation. She sang great live and on the album and worked well with Billy.

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

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Hey you left out the chart topping masterpiece "Time" and it's prestigious tour playing a bill with Reo Speedwagon

Amazing how much Time gets such a bad rap from the Rumours era fans!

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

Amazing how much Time gets such a bad rap from the Rumours era fans!

They always get so upset that the band had the nerve to go on without them, as if they hadn't done that for over seven years prior to Stevie and Lindsey even joining. Only the fans of the original Green-Spencer bands have the right to have a moral objection to the continued use of the Fleetwood Mac name. If Mick and John gave up keeping Fleetwood Mac going just because the big star quit and they lost their popularity as a result, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They always get so upset that the band had the nerve to go on without them, as if they hadn't done that for over seven years prior to Stevie and Lindsey even joining. Only the fans of the original Green-Spencer bands have the right to have a moral objection to the continued use of the Fleetwood Mac name. If Mick and John gave up keeping Fleetwood Mac going just because the big star quit and they lost their popularity as a result, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Steve, I am one of the King Chiff's and I gotta tell you I was not at all upset that FM continued after Stevie. I still loved Christine. I always had enjoyed We Just Disagree on the radio so I was looking forward to Dave Mason's contributions. I gladly went to see FM in 1994 or 1995(who remembers??) in Phoenix and was very impressed with Bekka's version of GDW. When the Time album came out I bought it right away and played it a couple of times and literally hated every single song. I gave the record to another Chiff, she played it and became a huge Bekka fan for many years to come.

[Wendy Welch]

Mick told me about Christine the day Bob died. Believe it or not. He also told my friend Mike Lawson on the same day when I had 12 policemen and medical people in my home, before Bob was moved from my home after I found him.