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Old 03-19-2013, 11:10 AM
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But Sara was unearthed in '04 after a 16 year + absence. So this would make the 4th Tusk song.
The gap for "Sara" was 18 years - 1986 to 2004. There was some hear'say that she did it once on the BTM tour, but nobody has ever been able to confirm it.

I would actually DIE if "Sara", "Sisters of the Moon" and "Angel" were ALL in the set. I. WOULD. DIE.

Having said that, the 04 and 09 versions of "Sara" kind of bored me. It's my favourite song of all time (my favourite live version is the 81 HBO special version), but the recent performers have been kind of lacking, apart from Soundstage.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:46 AM
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The gap for "Sara" was 18 years - 1986 to 2004. There was some hear'say that she did it once on the BTM tour, but nobody has ever been able to confirm it.

I would actually DIE if "Sara", "Sisters of the Moon" and "Angel" were ALL in the set. I. WOULD. DIE.

Having said that, the 04 and 09 versions of "Sara" kind of bored me. It's my favourite song of all time (my favourite live version is the 81 HBO special version), but the recent performers have been kind of lacking, apart from Soundstage.
No, it's 16 years; "Sara" was performed in London in 1988 (a bootleg exists). I'm not sure if this was a one-off, or whether it continued throughout the European leg of the TITN tour.

"Sara" is honestly not my favorite song live; it's one of those two-chord songs (ala "Dreams") that really requires a specific type of production that can only be rendered in the studio. When you remove all of the "haunting" effects that make the Tusk version so memorable, the somewhat banal simplicity of the song just does not hold up under the scrutiny of a basic live arrangement, especially when it goes on for 10+ minutes.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:41 PM
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Having said that, the 04 and 09 versions of "Sara" kind of bored me. It's my favourite song of all time (my favourite live version is the 81 HBO special version), but the recent performers have been kind of lacking, apart from Soundstage.
It's interesting so many people feel this way now. Ledge members pleaded SO long & hard for Sara to come back. Personally, I think 21st century Sara utterly trumps 70s/80s Sara. To me, the modern Sara fixes what made the original translate to stage so poorly. They fixed the pacing/progression of the song. To me, the older versions were just so slow & wandering. Utterly boring. But I think the modern versions are pretty fantastic. Plus, oddly enough, Stevie's current voice seems to work better for the song onstage, too.

I guess I am alone in totally despising Angel, too. Now that is a boring, wandering, anticlimactic song. I'd much rather hear Sisters Of The Moon with Beautiful Child & Sara. I wish I could add Storms to that list, but Stevie just couldn't make it work live, IMO. Stevie's voice just wasn't up for the task.
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:10 AM
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I guess I am alone in totally despising Angel, too. Now that is a boring, wandering, anticlimactic song. I'd much rather hear Sisters Of The Moon with Beautiful Child & Sara. I wish I could add Storms to that list, but Stevie just couldn't make it work live, IMO. Stevie's voice just wasn't up for the task.
No Louie you are NOT alone in this... don't like Angel.. never have.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:35 PM
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No Louie you are NOT alone in this... don't like Angel.. never have.
I like "Angel", but as a concert song, it does not have a climax musically, only vocally, and I don't think Stevie can muster the throaty screaming peak of "Go track a ghost through the fog, BABY!!!" Like she did in 1980 through 83'.
Whereas "Sisters Of The Moon" has that musical climax even if Stevie does not speak in tongues. I see SOTM evolving to stage in the 21st century much like GDW has. Undoubtably it will be more subdued but meanincing and atmospheric.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:37 PM
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Mid-tempo songs like Sara, Gypsy, Dreams, Over My Head, and others are hard songs to do, esp when trying the set the right mood and pacing of the song - not too fast yet not so slow. I do sound at my church and we have problems with mid-tempo songs very often.

They outta do like a trilogy Rhiannon, Gold Dust Woman, and then Sisters of the Moon or maybe Gold Dust Woman fading into Sisters of the Moon.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:24 PM
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It's interesting so many people feel this way now. Ledge members pleaded SO long & hard for Sara to come back. Personally, I think 21st century Sara utterly trumps 70s/80s Sara. To me, the modern Sara fixes what made the original translate to stage so poorly. They fixed the pacing/progression of the song. To me, the older versions were just so slow & wandering. Utterly boring. But I think the modern versions are pretty fantastic. Plus, oddly enough, Stevie's current voice seems to work better for the song onstage, too.
Agree completely. I can remember before the 2004 tour started how any time setlist discussions could come up, inevitably, people would be begging for Sara to be unearthed. Now suddenly, it seems to have fallen out of favor for whatever reason. I actually enjoy the 04-09 Sara quite a bit and am surprised at the hostility Sara generates these days.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:32 PM
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Agree completely. I can remember before the 2004 tour started how any time setlist discussions could come up, inevitably, people would be begging for Sara to be unearthed. Now suddenly, it seems to have fallen out of favor for whatever reason. I actually enjoy the 04-09 Sara quite a bit and am surprised at the hostility Sara generates these days.
Oh we wanted it, alright. Then most of us realized it kind of sucked live. They just never got it quite right - I don't know if it was the tempo, or because the song (albeit beautiful) tends to drag on or what. But it wasn't great.

Gypsy is another one I don't care to see/hear live ever again. Bland.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:24 PM
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To me, Sara works great live now. Especially after she did on Soundstage. Oh my god, it was great to hear that live in Chicago at the warm up concert.
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Oh we wanted it, alright. Then most of us realized it kind of sucked live. They just never got it quite right - I don't know if it was the tempo, or because the song (albeit beautiful) tends to drag on or what. But it wasn't great.

Gypsy is another one I don't care to see/hear live ever again. Bland.
I agree with you about Gypsy but Sara sounded wonderful on the Tusk Tour with just Christine, John, Mick and Lindsey providing the instrumentation.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:18 PM
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Sara sounded wonderful on the Tusk Tour with just Christine, John, Mick and Lindsey providing the instrumentation.
Agree!!!!!
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:34 PM
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I would love for them to do Peacekeeper but I don't see that happening.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:49 PM
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I wish I could add Storms to that list, but Stevie just couldn't make it work live, IMO. Stevie's voice just wasn't up for the task.
Wow, STRONGLY disagree with that. stevies love performance of storms are in my opinion one or her greatest vocal achievements ever and for sure of this century. That's how I felt when I saw it I've and it's been confirmed in every version I've seen on YouTube. If anything I still loved it live but Stevie's voice couldn't tackle beautiful child for me.

of all the ballads Stevie's performed on her tours of the 2000 storms was by far my favorite. This is no I'd rate the rest:

1. Storms
2. Love Is
3. Beautiful child
4. HAEWAFY
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:42 AM
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Wow, STRONGLY disagree with that. stevies love performance of storms are in my opinion one or her greatest vocal achievements ever and for sure of this century. That's how I felt when I saw it I've and it's been confirmed in every version I've seen on YouTube. If anything I still loved it live but Stevie's voice couldn't tackle beautiful child for me.

of all the ballads Stevie's performed on her tours of the 2000 storms was by far my favorite. This is no I'd rate the rest:

1. Storms
2. Love Is
3. Beautiful child
4. HAEWAFY
5. Beauty and the Beast

She was amazing on Beautiful Child imho and Storms was a big bore.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:56 AM
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IMHO Storms was really hard to capture live and ended up a sort of loud monotone braying rather than the half-whispered beauty of the original. Sara is also a drone when done live, it needs a dramatic build and atmosphere which seemingly cannot be achieved live - it ends up sounding like chanting over a chugging, stuttering instrumental. Nowhere near the masterpiece of the recording. For FM, Beautiful Child is perfect live, and solo, either BATB or HAEWAFY still work marvellously.
These ballads are the reason I love Stevie.
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