which IYD song should FM do live 2013?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Well, I hate to throw my dog in this fight, but...

Sometimes Lindsey takes it. I have seen him do it with my own eyes. I didn't misinterpret it. It was the first time I saw them live on the UL tour in Atlanta, in fact. He barreled his way through the first few songs, milking the applause as if he was the only performer onstage. It was so obvious that John pointed at him in conversation to Stevie and said "What the hell?!" She just shrugged and shook her head. It passed, but he was definitely being boorish with his hamming.

I do recall that you said that John seemed miffed that Lindsey was getting a long standing ovation following IKINW.

Of course, Lindsey always does his prayer bowing, hand over the heart thing when the audience responds to him and you said that John seemed fed up with the grandstanding.

John and Stevie often look at each other that way. When Lindsey gives his speech to intro a song, referencing the band's future or past, they will glance at each other and look weary, as if they don't agree or think he is wasting time.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I do recall that you said that John seemed miffed that Lindsey was getting a long standing ovation following IKINW.

Of course, Lindsey always does his prayer bowing, hand over the heart thing when the audience responds to him and you said that John seemed fed up with the grandstanding.

John and Stevie often look at each other that way. When Lindsey gives his speech to intro a song, referencing the band's future or past, they will glance at each other and look weary, as if they don't agree or think he is wasting time.

Michele

Yes, he had been sort of egging on the applause. Hands on knees, repeatedly yelling "Oh yeah!". It wasn't very generous to his band mates. I think it had culminated by IKINW with John's reaction, because he had been doing it after every song to the point of interrupting the set flow. It wasn't even that Lindsey didn't deserve applause but you know how crowds will start just whooping because something is going on. He took the first applause and then as it died down he kept it going when he should have or normally would have gone into the next song.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Yes, he had been sort of egging on the applause. Hands on knees, repeatedly yelling "Oh yeah!". It wasn't very generous to his band mates. I think it had culminated by IKINW with John's reaction, because he had been doing it after every song to the point of interrupting the set flow. It wasn't even that Lindsey didn't deserve applause but you know how crowds will start just whooping because something is going on. He took the first applause and then as it died down he kept it going when he should have or normally would have gone into the next song.

Oh, I didn't get that it was an ongoing thing after every song. I only notice him responding to the audience after his own songs, when I saw them.

I was interested in your comment in 2009 because I had noticed John and Stevie's facial expressions and eye contact during Lindsey's song intros and your observations added to my own notice of their interaction at other points in the show, so you gave me more to look for. I knew she didn't agree with Lindsey saying that they don't have a new album YET, before she said she didn't agree in the press, just by the way she was acting on stage when he talked.

As for the standing ovation, I appreciate the longer explanation. At the time, you didn't describe it as a culmination. You just remarked more on John and Stevie's reaction and John making the WTH gesture to Stevie following Lindsey's grandstanding after the one song, which turned out to be IKINW.

I think Lindsey plays into the audience response for sure after his own songs, jumping up and down after ISA, for example, running around the stage in a frenzy or being a "whirling dervish" as Stevie said. And doing that chest pounding thing or prayer gesture. I never thought of it as trying to steal anyone's thunder because the focus was on him anyway, as he does it following his own songs and Stevie gets to bask in it after hers, especially Rhiannon, Stand Back and GDW too. The way the show is set up, they each have their own time to shine, without taking the glow from each other. I don't see him hamming it up after The Chain, for example which, I suppose, would rightly annoy John.

I'm just glad they aren't trying to distract the audience during each other's songs as they have in the past.

Michele

[CADreaming]

^Yeah, I see your point about the songs. I guess I just look at it in that setting as an ensemble and a little goes a long way. I'd have to look back at my review but I do remember it just stood out to me at the time because when John made his motions and acted peeved - it was what I had been thinking too. Like, ok Linds - that's enough you're not the only one on that stage. Play nice!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

^Yeah, I see your point about the songs. I guess I just look at it in that setting as an ensemble and a little goes a long way. I'd have to look back at my review but I do remember it just stood out to me at the time because when John made his motions and acted peeved - it was what I had been thinking too. Like, ok Linds - that's enough you're not the only one on that stage. Play nice!

Your review comments from then are in this thread.

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/sh...hlight=atlanta

That reminds me that I should have started setting up the venues for concert reviews the moment they announced the 2013 tour dates. It is time consuming and unless I do one or two a day, there's no way they are all going to get done by April. That's why a lot of times what we put in these threads is the only archived information that will be on the site, because it's so much harder to maintain the news and review databases.

Michele

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

That reminds me that I should have started setting up the venues for concert reviews the moment they announced the 2013 tour dates. It is time consuming and unless I do one or two a day, there's no way they are all going to get done by April.

you mean threads in the archive or threads here on discussion board by the show, or somewhere else? if here we can start setting it up...

[elle]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Sometimes Lindsey takes it. I have seen him do it with my own eyes. I didn't misinterpret it. It was the first time I saw them live on the UL tour in Atlanta, in fact. He barreled his way through the first few songs, milking the applause as if he was the only performer onstage. It was so obvious that John pointed at him in conversation to Stevie and said "What the hell?!" She just shrugged and shook her head. It passed, but he was definitely being boorish with his hamming.

That being said, I agree that Stevie was not on her A game and that she has much more potential that I would love to see shine on the new tour. I can't imagine how exciting it would be to see them both giving it their all, instead of "waiting on a bus unexciting" as she put it.

Anyway, I don't buy that Stevie was cowering to Lindsey onstage - in wardrobe or anything else. I think she does what SHE wants to do - and sometimes that means she wants to pick her battles, like anyone does. Maybe she senses by being low key that day/that night it keeps the peace. So, what? She knows him better than anyone. That's her choice, not because he is making rules over her.

love reading these little tour snippets you described in this and follow-up posts - makes me looking forward to the tour! good to hear that audience enjoyed I Know I'm Not Wrong - that' was exactly my point somewhere earlier in the thread as to why he should do That's The Way Love Goes on this year's tour.

Originally Posted by michelej1

Oh, I didn't get that it was an ongoing thing after every song. I only notice him responding to the audience after his own songs, when I saw them.

I was interested in your comment in 2009 because I had noticed John and Stevie's facial expressions and eye contact during Lindsey's song intros and your observations added to my own notice of their interaction at other points in the show, so you gave me more to look for. I knew she didn't agree with Lindsey saying that they don't have a new album YET, before she said she didn't agree in the press, just by the way she was acting on stage when he talked.

As for the standing ovation, I appreciate the longer explanation. At the time, you didn't describe it as a culmination. You just remarked more on John and Stevie's reaction and John making the WTH gesture to Stevie following Lindsey's grandstanding after the one song, which turned out to be IKINW.

I think Lindsey plays into the audience response for sure after his own songs, jumping up and down after ISA, for example, running around the stage in a frenzy or being a "whirling dervish" as Stevie said. And doing that chest pounding thing or prayer gesture. I never thought of it as trying to steal anyone's thunder because the focus was on him anyway, as he does it following his own songs and Stevie gets to bask in it after hers, especially Rhiannon, Stand Back and GDW too. The way the show is set up, they each have their own time to shine, without taking the glow from each other. I don't see him hamming it up after The Chain, for example which, I suppose, would rightly annoy John.

yeah from CAD's description i don't see that Lindsey's behaving any different than on his solo tours - seems like he's soaking up audience's reaction to certain songs the same as he always does. you can call it milking it and i may agree with you but i'd rather performer appreciates and interacts with the audience then just going on to the next song like audience is not even there.

he also sometimes jumps around and stomps when he's happy how a particular performance turned out and i really don't see a problem with that considering that he works his ass up there and always gives you 200%. it's just a part of him the same as the stupid skinny jeans and opened v-neck t-shirts.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by elle

love reading these little tour snippets you described in this and follow-up posts - makes me looking forward to the tour! good to hear that audience enjoyed I Know I'm Not Wrong - that' was exactly my point somewhere earlier in the thread as to why he should do That's The Way Love Goes on this year's tour.



yeah from CAD's description i don't see that Lindsey's behaving any different than on his solo tours - seems like he's soaking up audience's reaction to certain songs the same as he always does. you can call it milking it and i may agree with you but i'd rather performer appreciates and interacts with the audience then just going on to the next song like audience is not even there.

he also sometimes jumps around and stomps when he's happy how a particular performance turned out and i really don't see a problem with that considering that he works his ass up there and always gives you 200%. it's just a part of him the same as the stupid skinny jeans and opened v-neck t-shirts.

Yeah I'm not generalizing though. He didn't do the grandstanding at every show. I was at the Nashville show and it was all fine. Of course, that doesn't mean he didn't do it at other shows. It was that night, as I said, in bad enough form to garner a reaction from John who is usually so low key if it wasn't for his driving bass you would forget he was there.

[Lilyfan]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Yeah I'm not generalizing though. He didn't do the grandstanding at every show. I was at the Nashville show and it was all fine. Of course, that doesn't mean he didn't do it at other shows. It was that night, as I said, in bad enough form to garner a reaction from John who is usually so low key if it wasn't for his driving bass you would forget he was there.

I wish they would add some Nashville dates to this tour. I'd much prefer to go to Nashville over Atlanta. There's no chance they are coming to Birmingham

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Lilyfan

I wish they would add some Nashville dates to this tour. I'd much prefer to go to Nashville over Atlanta. There's no chance they are coming to Birmingham

I wanted Nasville too!