Songs that are horrible live

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

[*]you love the music of Sinatra, Aznavour, or Julio Iglesias.

I love Sinatra and have dozens of his albums. I am familiar with Iglesias (only have one album, though). To my ears, there is no connection between their styles and Say Goodbye or their songs and Say Goodbye. They are quite different genres and, to me, they rise and fall on their on merits.

As for being a shipper, I don't think that makes you like a song that is otherwise stultifying. You can imagine shipper content in any song written by Stevie or Lindsey. That doesn't mean half of those songs aren't dogs. You can be romantic without being deaf.

Whether I liked the song or not, the live performance was rather awkward. I found it both dull and uncomfortable. You'd think where there was tension there wouldn't also be boredom, but that wasn't really the case. I was unnerved. Stevie seemed like she was as well. I actually liked some of Lindsey's introductions to the song a lot more than I liked the performance itself. Michele

[michelej1]

I was just thinking that Sad Angel is probably going to be an awful, treacly song that sounds awful live. It's going to go right up there with Sweet Girl.

I hope I'm proven wrong, but I think there's probably an at least 80% chance of doom. And please don't let them think of some creepy way to perform it together. You can't force these things people. Make it organic Linds.

Michele

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I was just thinking that Sad Angel is probably going to be an awful, treacly song that sounds awful live. It's going to go right up there with Sweet Girl.

I hope I'm proven wrong, but I think there's probably an at least 80% chance of doom. And please don't let them think of some creepy way to perform it together. You can't force these things people. Make it organic Linds.

Michele

Maybe it will be really up-tempo and catchy.

Hoping for the best. With a title like that, what else can you do?

And I'm clinging for dear life to what Stevie said about SYW vs Unleashed vs Live 2013, regarding them not doing the same benign thing and actually just going up to play and have fun.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Maybe it will be really up-tempo and catchy.

Hoping for the best. With a title like that, what else can you do?

That's why I haven't written off Miss Fantasy yet. I hope it will be uptempo and am crossing fingers for the best. But I think Sad Angel is going to tie in to her mother as well, so I'm not thinking good things about that.

When I think of Lindsey ballads, Gone Too Far is the only one that absolutely grabs me. The idea that he was aiming for something specific with these new songs is what scares me. If they were just songs he had, I wouldn't think so much about it, but because he wrote them with a purpose in mind, I think they're going to stink. I don't think Say Goodbye is bad on the album. And I do like the two Goodbye songs ending SYW in general.

Michele

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

When I think of Lindsey ballads, Gone Too Far is the only one that absolutely grabs me. The idea that he was aiming for something specific with these new songs is what scares me. If they were just songs he had, I wouldn't think so much about it, but because he wrote them with a purpose in mind, I think they're going to stink.

when you put it that way... yeah, scary.

Lindsey ballads. Gone Too Far is gorgeous . definitely on my list of requests. Walk A Thin Line is too, just the arrangement on Tusk sucks. it deserves a proper makeover.

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I was just thinking that Sad Angel is probably going to be an awful, treacly song that sounds awful live. It's going to go right up there with Sweet Girl.

I hope I'm proven wrong, but I think there's probably an at least 80% chance of doom. And please don't let them think of some creepy way to perform it together. You can't force these things people. Make it organic Linds.

Michele

lol. i really hope you are wrong but i find having low expectations can sometimes work wonders! or at least you might not be too disappointed.

see that might be a part of my problem with SG. i've heard lindsey's intro at the end of NGBA from soundstage which was a perfect setup for high expectations. then i watched that video but without any sound (bunch of people in the room listening to tv and no headphones handy ), while reading all the raving comments under the video on youtube. and then i finally heard the song and thought huh? that is what these people were raving about? what a dud. sinatra. iglesias. huh????? (even if not everybody hears it ).

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I love Sinatra and have dozens of his albums. I am familiar with Iglesias (only have one album, though). To my ears, there is no connection between their styles and Say Goodbye or their songs and Say Goodbye. They are quite different genres and, to me, they rise and fall on their on merits.

As for being a shipper, I don't think that makes you like a song that is otherwise stultifying. You can imagine shipper content in any song written by Stevie or Lindsey. That doesn't mean half of those songs aren't dogs. You can be romantic without being deaf.

"Say Goodbye" is a very special song to my sister. I introduced it to her, she watched the Soundstage version on YouTube. I thought she would be touched by the SnL relationship and seeing their performance. But, to her it represents the passing of her 37 year old son to cancer. She still cries anytime she hears it.

It definitely has nothing to do with her like or dislike of Frank Sinatra, Aznavour, or Julio Iglesias...

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

"Say Goodbye" is a very special song to my sister. I introduced it to her, she watched the Soundstage version on YouTube. I thought she would be touched by the SnL relationship and seeing their performance. But, to her it represents the passing of her 37 year old son to cancer. She still cries anytime she hears it.

It definitely has nothing to do with her like or dislike of Frank Sinatra, Aznavour, or Julio Iglesias...

Certainly, if you tie the song into something specific in your life it's going to change it for you. I think I feel that way about the entire Mirage album, taking it beyond the quality of the songs and into the personal memories they invoke for me.

Originally Posted by CADreaming

It definitely has nothing to do with her like or dislike of Frank Sinatra, Aznavour, or Julio Iglesias...

Oh, Sinatra wouldn't even record Say Goodbye. It wasn't his style at all. I'm proud to say he did record one of Sonny's songs: Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down).

Michele

[KindOfWoman90]

Originally Posted by michelej1

As for being a shipper, I don't think that makes you like a song that is otherwise stultifying. You can imagine shipper content in any song written by Stevie or Lindsey. That doesn't mean half of those songs aren't dogs. You can be romantic without being deaf.
Michele

^^ Very well put!

Originally Posted by michelej1

I was just thinking that Sad Angel is probably going to be an awful, treacly song that sounds awful live. It's going to go right up there with Sweet Girl.

I hope I'm proven wrong, but I think there's probably an at least 80% chance of doom. And please don't let them think of some creepy way to perform it together. You can't force these things people. Make it organic Linds.

Michele

I love him dearly, but I think that's often the key thing that trips him up! Imo goes along with over producing songs - sometimes he needs to learn to let well enough alone.

Originally Posted by elle

lol. i really hope you are wrong but i find having low expectations can sometimes work wonders! or at least you might not be too disappointed.

Yes! Set your expectations low and you won't be disappointed hehe

Originally Posted by michelej1

That's why I haven't written off Miss Fantasy yet. I hope it will be uptempo and am crossing fingers for the best. But I think Sad Angel is going to tie in to her mother as well, so I'm not thinking good things about that.

Michele

I'm really nervous about Sad Angel too...I'm anxious to hear these two songs. You never know though, positive thinking! At the very least Miss Fantasy better be up tempo, they can't give us two sappy songs...

[Sleepless-Child]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Certainly, if you tie the song into something specific in your life it's going to change it for you. I think I feel that way about the entire Mirage album, taking it beyond the quality of the songs and into the personal memories they invoke for me.




Oh, Sinatra wouldn't even record Say Goodbye. It wasn't his style at all. I'm proud to say he did record one of Sonny's songs: Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down).

Michele

Hehehe . Although i thought only Nancy recorded it (?). Her version is the best, the arrangements and her voice bring so much depth.
I love Sonny because he wasn't mainly a songwriter but he wrote some of the most legendary songs of all time.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Sleepless-Child

Hehehe . Although i thought only Nancy recorded it (?).

Oh yeah. That was even the title of Frank's album: She Shot Me Down. It was great.

Michele

[David]

I never liked "Love in Store" live that one year. On album, it wasn't that spectacular anyway, but it was certainly possible to get more of that texture on stage, and they didn't bother. They blew it; they really threw it away. Christine came down heavy on the B3 (as if it were an "I'm So Afraid" dirge), Mick made a boneheaded decision to pile-drive the tempo, and the three singers didn't connect at all harmonically on the chorus. They should have substituted something else for "Love in Store" if no one was going to put any effort into it.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by David

I never liked "Love in Store" live that one year. On album, it wasn't that spectacular anyway, but it was certainly possible to get more of that texture on stage, and they didn't bother. They blew it; they really threw it away. Christine came down heavy on the B3 (as if it were an "I'm So Afraid" dirge), Mick made a boneheaded decision to pile-drive the tempo, and the three singers didn't connect at all harmonically on the chorus. They should have substituted something else for "Love in Store" if no one was going to put any effort into it.

They were all high--at least that's how the vocals sounded.

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

As for being a shipper, I don't think that makes you like a song that is otherwise stultifying. You can imagine shipper content in any song written by Stevie or Lindsey. That doesn't mean half of those songs aren't dogs.

yup. as is SG (imo of course!).

Originally Posted by michelej1

You can be romantic without being deaf.

of course you can. or you can be both. or neither.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

of course you can. or you can be both. or neither.

I don't know why you'd analyze why another person doesn't like a song anyway. If you want to break apart why you like or dislike something, I can understand getting to the root of that in your head. But I wouldn't try to analyze why you like a song. Aha, you're really into WATL: let me tell you why you like that.

Michele