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Old 07-02-2012, 09:25 PM
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For what it's worth, I don't think they could do some of the old BN stuff justice vocally anymore... case in point, Without You. Gorgeous demo, the harmonies are so tight and so beautiful... they just don't sing that tightly anymore because...well, they rarely sing together that way anymore....those harmonies are a direct result of singing together day after day after day for years and years. And frankly Stevie has lost her range to be able to do those gorgeous high harmonies to Lindsey and her voice is so much more ragged...

While the romantic side of me would LOVE to see a BN performance, I'm not sure that doing all those old songs NOW really does them justice, because they are not the singers they were then (especially Stevie) and hearing the Stevie and Lindsey of now performing them at 60-something when they will be unfairly compared to the recordings of a couple of 20-somethings that we've all listened to so many times is just destined not to live up..... With the FM stuff, we've heard the toll time/age have taken over decades and decades of tours and performances, so it isn't as jarring (please don't insist they sound the same, they just don't).
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:08 PM
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No, it wouldn't be perfect, it wouldn't be the same, but it would still be sweet and meaningful, at least I would hope so. And not just to many of their fans, such as myself, but to them as well. Think of all the wonderful speeches Lindsey already has planned in his mind!

Their voices aren't the same, but they've worked that out with many other songs in recent years. Some are good, some are bad, but to me it's not a dealbreaker.

Personally, I don't care who is backing them up, what they sing, or how they sing it. I think it would be wonderful.

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Old 07-02-2012, 10:13 PM
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No, it wouldn't be perfect, it wouldn't be the same, but it would still be sweet and meaningful, at least I would hope so. And not just to many of their fans, such as myself, but to them as well. Think of all the wonderful speeches Lindsey already has planned in his mind!

Their voices aren't the same, but they've worked that out with many other songs in recent years. Some are good, some are bad, but to me it's not a dealbreaker.

Personally, I don't care who is backing them up, what they sing, or how they sing it. I think it would be wonderful.

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Old 07-03-2012, 06:26 AM
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For what it's worth, I don't think they could do some of the old BN stuff justice vocally anymore... case in point, Without You. Gorgeous demo, the harmonies are so tight and so beautiful... they just don't sing that tightly anymore because...well, they rarely sing together that way anymore....those harmonies are a direct result of singing together day after day after day for years and years. And frankly Stevie has lost her range to be able to do those gorgeous high harmonies to Lindsey and her voice is so much more ragged...

While the romantic side of me would LOVE to see a BN performance, I'm not sure that doing all those old songs NOW really does them justice, because they are not the singers they were then (especially Stevie)
I know it wouldn't be the same. But, what about "Say Goodbye"? That was pretty tight harmony. "Soldier's Angel". They can still do tight harmony and it doesn't have to be in the same range. Keys can be changed. But, the poignancy of it would still be the same.
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:47 AM
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On an album with studio EQing and such, tight harmonies are possible. Live, however, is harder to do.

We seem to have two different things - a new BN album or just a BN tour?

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Old 07-03-2012, 10:58 AM
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^I thought "Say Goodbye" live was sublime, especially Lindsey's soundstage version where he is able to control the audio effects in much the same way he is currently doing on his solo tour. This also goes for "Soldier's Angel" at Stevie's Wiltern show.

I am in favor of both a BN release and tour. Tour is being discussed based on Stevie's most recent comments that it would be "easy" for them to do the live shows and that there is some kind of red tape holding up the cd release.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:35 PM
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^I thought "Say Goodbye" live was sublime,
I thought that song was unbearable, with a plodding melody and a presentation that made it interminable. Oh, I whisper to you and you whisper back to me. I always say that Sunny Von Bulow came out of her coma, but heard that song and felll right back in.

The only thing that made it decent for me was the fact that Lindsey's introductions to it became intriguing as the tour was about to end. I preferred the studio version.

Even so, I think they still sound good together on SHN live. I think they can do tight harmonies.

But they can change the songs in ways we can't anticipate. Say You Love Me was the highlight of The Dance tour for me and it was different than all it's previous incarnations.

The arrangements on the old songs may be different and we might like those arrangements better.

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Old 07-03-2012, 02:01 PM
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I thought that song was unbearable, with a plodding melody and a presentation that made it interminable. Oh, I whisper to you and you whisper back to me. I always say that Sunny Von Bulow came out of her coma, but heard that song and felll right back in.

The only thing that made it decent for me was the fact that Lindsey's introductions to it became intriguing as the tour was about to end. I preferred the studio version.

Even so, I think they still sound good together on SHN live. I think they can do tight harmonies.

But they can change the songs in ways we can't anticipate. Say You Love Me was the highlight of The Dance tour for me and it was different than all it's previous incarnations.

The arrangements on the old songs may be different and we might like those arrangements better.

Michele

Ok, ok. I got a little carried away when I said sublime. I just meant the Soundstage version still showcased great harmony. I really don't like the sped up recording.

Agree, new arrangements are interesting as long as its on something they've done live a million times or doesn't destroy the integrity.

Stevie & Lindsey do not have a problem harmonizing anyway. They have been singing together for roughly 40 years. They know each other's nuances and they are rehearsal whores. All they need is to get back to those basics. They could be there in a relatively short time.
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I thought that song was unbearable, with a plodding melody and a presentation that made it interminable. Oh, I whisper to you and you whisper back to me. I always say that Sunny Von Bulow came out of her coma, but heard that song and felll right back in.


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Old 07-04-2012, 06:37 AM
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I can't picture them ever going on a "Buckingham Nicks" Tour with John and Mick still alive/medically able to perform. Mick would probably have a moo-cow if he found out they were going out sans Fleetwood Mac.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:00 AM
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On an album with studio EQing and such, tight harmonies are possible. Live, however, is harder to do.

We seem to have two different things - a new BN album or just a BN tour?
Well, right now it seems that they only thing that's really been mentioned by BOTH of them, is re-releaseding BN and possibly doing a show or two to promote it. (And I personally think they'd be smart to film the show for their 40th anniversary and release it alongside the CD as a special edition package or something.)

At this point talks of a real tour or a new album are still just wishful thinking.
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On an album with studio EQing and such, tight harmonies are possible. Live, however, is harder to do.
EQ won't do much to help tighten harmonies. Pitch correction will make them tighter. However, doing tight harmonies just means two people being able to sing in tune and in time. If both can do this then the harmonies will be perfect. I've heard plenty of live bands do unbelievably perfect harmonies so there's no reason that, if the time and effort is put in, Lindsey and Stevie couldn't do or rework their harmonies and be tight.

That said, I'd rather they just pump out the CD with a nice selection of bonus tracks and Lindsey gets back to his solo work (preferably an album before more touring)
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EQ won't do much to help tighten harmonies. Pitch correction will make them tighter. However, doing tight harmonies just means two people being able to sing in tune and in time. If both can do this then the harmonies will be perfect. I've heard plenty of live bands do unbelievably perfect harmonies so there's no reason that, if the time and effort is put in, Lindsey and Stevie couldn't do or rework their harmonies and be tight.

That said, I'd rather they just pump out the CD with a nice selection of bonus tracks and Lindsey gets back to his solo work (preferably an album before more touring)
If Stevie and Lindsey spent enough time together and worked on their harmonies like I'm assuming they used to ~back in the day, then I think they are very capable of creating that same great sound they used to [albeit a few keys lower ]. Because you're exactly right - it's all about timing and pitch, and you've got to have an intuitive knowledge of the person you're singing with so you can match their tone, pronunciation, inflection, everything, and stay with them.

Years in small vocal ensembles doing mostly a capella pieces taught me that.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:37 PM
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(And I personally think they'd be smart to film the show for their 40th anniversary and release it alongside the CD as a special edition package or something.)
Good idea. A one off Soundstage maybe. Get it televised. That would be a great idea and if it created enough buzz, then that's how you would go about drumming up interest for a tour afterwards. Introduce people to this duo.

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