What songs do you consider non-hits from Rumours?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I retract my last statement on this subject and completely agree with you. However, because Rumours is an album that most human beings have heard every track from and that radio has played a lot of the non hits on a regular basis, then I can understand why one would consider a song like say GDW or The Chain a 'hit' song.

I also understand why fans would consider anything from Rumours a "hit". But, technically speaking those songs still weren't not "hits" by industry standards. I would refer to them as "fan favorites" or popular album cuts.

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Maybe, but you have to have a solid definition of the word "hit" and even you weren't sure whether to define it as Top 20 or Top 40. Billboard charts are a handy tool, but even then the lines get blurry. Consider Heart's "Crazy On You".....a staple of rock radio stations even today. It's definitely one of their most famous songs, but it peaked at No. 35, so not a hit by some standards. Years later they made the Top 10 with "Nothing At All" which is a great song but hasn't really been played on the radio since the year it was released.

I agree, the lines can be blurry. All I am saying is there is a definition of the term "hit". The argument can be made for how high does a song chart before being labeled a hit. In your example, I have never heard or don't remember "Nothing At All" -- it didn't chart in the US and went to 38 in the UK.

In both of these cases (Rumours & Dreamboat Annie), the album being a hit drives the popularity of the songs, even if the songs are not released as singles in some cases. But, I still would argue that just because the album is a hit the songs cannot be considered hit songs unless they are released as singles and chart high -- some would say Top 20 or Top 40 and some may argue Top 100. I think Top 100 is too broad.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

In your example, I have never heard or don't remember "Nothing At All" -- it didn't chart in the US and went to 38 in the UK.

"Nothing At All" was a U.S. Top 10 hit in the spring of 1986....it was the follow-up to "These Dreams." The fact that you never heard/don't remember it sort of proves my point. Which is the bigger hit....."Crazy on You" (No. 35) or "Nothing At All" (No. 10)?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

"Nothing At All" was a U.S. Top 10 hit in the spring of 1986....it was the follow-up to "These Dreams." The fact that you never heard/don't remember it sort of proves my point. Which is the bigger hit....."Crazy on You" (No. 35) or "Nothing At All" (No. 10)?

Where is your source? The one I read said it did not chart in the US.

Never said you didn't have a point. However, I wasn't listening to or keeping up with rock/pop charts closely in the '80's & '90's. But, an industry hit is an industry hit -- regardless of if a fan remembers it 25 years later.

For example here are three songs from 1977's Billboard top 10 that I do not remember either the song or the artist:

5. Angel In Your Arms » Hot
6. I Like Dreamin' » Kenny Nolan
7. Don't Leave Me This Way » Thelma Houston

These were obviously still big hits...

(Note: Angel in Your Arms was covered by other artists and I remember their versions. I have no memory of a group called Hot.)

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

For example here are three songs from 1977's Billboard top 10 that I do not remember either the song or the artist:
5. Angel In Your Arms » Hot
6. I Like Dreamin' » Kenny Nolan
7. Don't Leave Me This Way » Thelma Houston

I've never heard #5 but 6 & 7 yes. #7 still receives moderate airplay today.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Where is your source? The one I read said it did not chart in the US.

Never said you didn't have a point. However, I wasn't listening to or keeping up with rock/pop charts closely in the '80's & '90's. But, an industry hit is an industry hit -- regardless of if a fan remembers it 25 years later.

All Billboard reference books.....Top 10 charts, Top Pop Singles, plus I subscribed to the magazine back then.

And I wouldn't argue that "Nothing At All" wasn't a hit. It obviously was. I'm more interested in "Crazy On You." If we were trying to find the favorite non-hit by Heart, would it be included in the poll since it didn't even come close to the Top 20?

Also, hope you don't think I'm picking on you or trying to start something. I'm just debating (with myself as much as anyone else) because what sounded like it was going to be a very simple and fun poll has become kind of complicated.