What songs do you consider non-hits from Rumours?

[elle]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I'm just not sure on this one... I think I've heard every single song on Rumours on the radio at some point or another.

yup! to reiterate my same thoughts from the beginning of the thread - probably the whole album should be excluded from any non-hits poll.

[WildHearted]

I don't consider I Don't Want To Know and Oh Daddy 'hits'.... but all the rest of them I do to some extent.

[MikeInNV]

Definitely eliminate the four singles. Then, the question in my mind is whether to include The Chain and GDW. They're both pretty famous, so I'm going to have to think about it. I would include all the other tracks in the poll, even though every Rumours track is pretty well known.

[MacShadowsBall]

Originally Posted by bluefox4000

And Oh Daddy Even though I forgot to click it.

Mick

I'll add it in for you.

Originally Posted by elle

ok people - if Second Hand News and Gold Dust Woman are not hits, how come they are still regularly played on many classic rock stations? and how come LB and SN cannot get around performing them live whenever they do a full concert, whether solo or with mac - and always get a rousing reception reserved for hits?! and how come both songs were covered by some other big acts (Love, Kid Rock, etc)?!

For me, Gold Dust Woman is more of a hit that Second Hand News, though besides GYOW and Dreams, they represent Lindsey and Stevie still to this day...They have staying power, if you will.

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I don't consider I Don't Want To Know and Oh Daddy 'hits'.... but all the rest of them I do to some extent.

That's kinda what I'm thinking, too.

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Definitely eliminate the four singles. Then, the question in my mind is whether to include The Chain and GDW. They're both pretty famous, so I'm going to have to think about it. I would include all the other tracks in the poll, even though every Rumours track is pretty well known.

Here's the deal about The Chain and Gold Dust Woman - they both did extremely well in the 2010 favorite song contest. The Chain won the whole freakin' contest, while Gold Dust Woman was voted the #2 favorite Stevie song, with Gypsy #1 and Silver Springs #3. So if either The Chain/GDW are in this contest, they "should" do quite well possible making it to the end.

[WildHearted]

I mean, I just figure, if my mom (who is not a fleetwood mac fan) recognizes a song and starts singing along with it... then we can consider that a hit.

And I have witnessed her do that with all of the Rumours songs except for Oh Daddy, I Don't Want To Know and Songbird. But I think Songbird has def become an iconic Chris song and can therefore be considered a hit..

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by elle

yup! to reiterate my same thoughts from the beginning of the thread - probably the whole album should be excluded from any non-hits poll.

I agree. There is nothing to figure out. The entire album in its entirety is a "Hit" so to speak. With all respect, this thread subject is really stretching the limits of logical discourse.

[Sanne2]

I voted for Oh Daddy and IDWTK, those are the ony songs I consider non-hits.

[CADreaming]

A "hit" is a song that was released as a single and/or charted relatively high. I gave Top 20 originally as a basis, but I would even broaden that to Top 40.

I don't care how many times a song is played on the radio or is in a set list or is a fan favorite - the word "hit" means it sold copies as a single and charted.

Here are the songs that did not chart/were not released:

Oh Daddy
Songbird
Second Hand News
Never Going Back Again
The Chain
Gold Dust Woman
I Don't Want to Know

Also, whether or not a song is a "hit" is not an opinion. It's a fact.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

A "hit" is a song that was released as a single and/or charted relatively high. I gave Top 20 originally as a basis, but I would even broaden that to Top 40.
I don't care how many times a song is played on the radio or is in a set list or is a fan favorite - the word "hit" means it sold copies as a single and charted. Also, whether or not a song is a "hit" is not an opinion. It's a fact.

I retract my last statement on this subject and completely agree with you. However, because Rumours is an album that most human beings have heard every track from and that radio has played a lot of the non hits on a regular basis, then I can understand why one would consider a song like say GDW or The Chain a 'hit' song.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

whether or not a song is a "hit" is not an opinion. It's a fact.

Maybe, but you have to have a solid definition of the word "hit" and even you weren't sure whether to define it as Top 20 or Top 40. Billboard charts are a handy tool, but even then the lines get blurry. Consider Heart's "Crazy On You".....a staple of rock radio stations even today. It's definitely one of their most famous songs, but it peaked at No. 35, so not a hit by some standards. Years later they made the Top 10 with "Nothing At All" which is a great song but hasn't really been played on the radio since the year it was released.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I retract my last statement on this subject and completely agree with you. However, because Rumours is an album that most human beings have heard every track from and that radio has played a lot of the non hits on a regular basis, then I can understand why one would consider a song like say GDW or The Chain a 'hit' song.

I also understand why fans would consider anything from Rumours a "hit". But, technically speaking those songs still weren't not "hits" by industry standards. I would refer to them as "fan favorites" or popular album cuts.

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Maybe, but you have to have a solid definition of the word "hit" and even you weren't sure whether to define it as Top 20 or Top 40. Billboard charts are a handy tool, but even then the lines get blurry. Consider Heart's "Crazy On You".....a staple of rock radio stations even today. It's definitely one of their most famous songs, but it peaked at No. 35, so not a hit by some standards. Years later they made the Top 10 with "Nothing At All" which is a great song but hasn't really been played on the radio since the year it was released.

I agree, the lines can be blurry. All I am saying is there is a definition of the term "hit". The argument can be made for how high does a song chart before being labeled a hit. In your example, I have never heard or don't remember "Nothing At All" -- it didn't chart in the US and went to 38 in the UK.

In both of these cases (Rumours & Dreamboat Annie), the album being a hit drives the popularity of the songs, even if the songs are not released as singles in some cases. But, I still would argue that just because the album is a hit the songs cannot be considered hit songs unless they are released as singles and chart high -- some would say Top 20 or Top 40 and some may argue Top 100. I think Top 100 is too broad.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

In your example, I have never heard or don't remember "Nothing At All" -- it didn't chart in the US and went to 38 in the UK.

"Nothing At All" was a U.S. Top 10 hit in the spring of 1986....it was the follow-up to "These Dreams." The fact that you never heard/don't remember it sort of proves my point. Which is the bigger hit....."Crazy on You" (No. 35) or "Nothing At All" (No. 10)?

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Maybe, but you have to have a solid definition of the word "hit" and even you weren't sure whether to define it as Top 20 or Top 40. Billboard charts are a handy tool, but even then the lines get blurry. Consider Heart's "Crazy On You".....a staple of rock radio stations even today. It's definitely one of their most famous songs, but it peaked at No. 35, so not a hit by some standards. Years later they made the Top 10 with "Nothing At All" which is a great song but hasn't really been played on the radio since the year it was released.

Very interesting info. I loved the song Nothing At All when it was played on the radio even tho I already had that album at that time. Crazy On You is a classic radio track, one of those songs I can hear endlessly and never get sick of but probably haven't heard Nothing At All in over a decade and don't GAF.

[bluefox4000]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

A "hit" is a song that was released as a single and/or charted relatively high. I gave Top 20 originally as a basis, but I would even broaden that to Top 40.

I don't care how many times a song is played on the radio or is in a set list or is a fan favorite - the word "hit" means it sold copies as a single and charted.

Here are the songs that did not chart/were not released:

Oh Daddy
Songbird
Second Hand News
Never Going Back Again
The Chain
Gold Dust Woman
I Don't Want to Know

Also, whether or not a song is a "hit" is not an opinion. It's a fact.

I quite agree

Mick

[michelej1]

I don't know how IDWTK could be considered a hit under any circumstances.

I don't think Oh Daddy is one either, but we focused fans have heard it a lot and I know why it's a hit to some of us.

But not I Don't Want to Know.

Michele