'75 Fleetwood Mac - Rate the Non-Hits

[elle]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

It doesn't make sense to ignore the charts and call all fan dictated hits legitimate "hits". There has to be some standard to go by and single release/chart status is the most logical.

exactly!! and that was the problem with what MSB was first proposing - to call "hits" all songs that were voted as favorites by fans on The Ledge in his previous polls.

Monday Morning was never a hit, whether or not it was voted a fan favorite. but i can argue that SHN was / is a hit - it is definitely a staple of several classic rock stations which in general (and unfortunately) play only classic rock hits.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by elle

SHN was / is a hit - it is definitely a staple of several classic rock stations which in general (and unfortunately) play only classic rock hits.

It is a hit song but it was never a single so therefore it isn't a hit, according to the rules of this poll.

[elle]

Originally Posted by vivfox

It is a hit song but it was never a single so therefore it isn't a hit, according to the rules of this poll.

but we are just trying to make up the rules of this poll! - so i agree with you - it's a hit song.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by vivfox

It is a hit song but it was never a single so therefore it isn't a hit, according to the rules of this poll.

How is a song considered a hit if it was never released as a single?

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

How is a song considered a hit if it was never released as a single?

I think I'll let Elle answer that one.

[elle]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I think I'll let Elle answer that one.

[elle]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

How is a song considered a hit if it was never released as a single?

agree with your confusion - that's the point we can debate and decide how to go forward. or not. how is MM a hit when it was never released as a single either (according to the original rules MCB was proposing)?

what we tossed around so far was:

• whether hit is everything released as a single (i think the answer is no - DYMM was NOT a hit).
• everything that was hit single worldwide - or are we being just US-centric (my vote would be worldwide, also considering the composition of the board members).
• everything that had a lot of radio play (as some things do not even get released as hard copy singles anymore anyway).
• everything that was voted as a hit in previous MSB polls (through these discussions we kinda rejected that since we didn't want to end up with Landslide as a favorite non-hit).

anything i'm forgetting? maybe it really would be helpful to have a pre-poll and vote on these options to figure out how to structure a non-hit poll?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by elle

nope, that's not the point. at least for my mathematical brain 3 / 1 is not equal 3 / 2.

but you are right there is always some gray zone.

Well, indeed.

Originally Posted by vivfox

I think I'll let Elle answer that one.

Oh goodie!

Originally Posted by elle

agree with your confusion - that's the point we can debate and decide how to go forward. or not. how is MM a hit when it was never released as a single either (according to the original rules MCB was proposing)?

what we tossed around so far was:

• whether hit is everything released as a single (i think the answer is no - DYMM was NOT a hit).
• everything that was hit single worldwide - or are we being just US-centric (my vote would be worldwide, also considering the composition of the board members).
• everything that had a lot of radio play (as some things do not even get released as hard copy singles anymore anyway).
• everything that was voted as a hit in previous MSB polls (through these discussions we kinda rejected that since we didn't want to end up with Landslide as a favorite non-hit).

anything i'm forgetting? maybe it really would be helpful to have a pre-poll
and vote on these options to figure out how to structure a non-hit poll?

Thanks. I think it's fair to consider a song a hit if it was released and charted as a single on both the US and UK charts in the Top 20.

[elle]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

charted as a single on both the US and UK charts in the Top 20.

you bring up another good point that i forgot to list above -

• how high does the song need to chart in order to be considered a hit? and another question to follow up - on which chart? general billboard, specific chart like adult contemporary, etc?

Holiday Road is arguably lindsey's biggest solo hit (you may argue it's Trouble, and LB might agree with you judging by his solo setlist - but what does he know ) but it's highest chart position was what - 80-something?

maybe we should look at their current itunes and amazon rankings? most popular FM songs? (highest numbers of youtube views? )... you know, enter 21st century maybe...

[MacShadowsBall]

Originally Posted by elle

maybe we should look at their current itunes and amazon rankings? most popular FM songs? (highest numbers of youtube views? )... you know, enter 21st century maybe...

...which was why I was going by the songs that scored the most votes during the 2010 contest, ya know the favorite songs as voted on by the Ledgie in the Favorite Fleetwood Mac Song of All-Time contest.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by elle

Monday Morning was never a hit, whether or not it was voted a fan favorite. but i can argue that SHN was / is a hit - it is definitely a staple of several classic rock stations which in general (and unfortunately) play only classic rock hits.

Yeah, I never understood why MM was left off of the list????? And Over My Head was a BIG hit, and should never have made the list.

[MacShadowsBall]

I'm reading and following the posts trying to decide what to do.