'75 Fleetwood Mac - Rate the Non-Hits

[elle]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I think we should remove any song that charted (and add back in any ones that didn't).

If it didn't chart, it wasn't a "hit," so to speak. Get my drift?

And I think an exception should be made for Landslide, due to it's glaring popularity and the fact that other versions of the song have charted...

agree with that, and this is what wikipedia page i posted earlier says about [other versions of] Landslide charting:

""Landslide" was eventually released as a single in the USA in 1998 after it became one of the most popular tracks from the live reunion album The Dance. It reached #51 on the Billboard Hot 100.[11] "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetwood_Mac_(1975_album)

[MikeInNV]

Yes, I really think we need a do-over. No offense MSB, but I would hate to spend the next 3 months trying to determine the favorite Fleetwood Mac non-hit, only to find out it's "Dreams" LOL.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by elle

agree with that, and this is what wikipedia page i posted earlier says about [other versions of] Landslide charting:

""Landslide" was eventually released as a single in the USA in 1998 after it became one of the most popular tracks from the live reunion album The Dance. It reached #51 on the Billboard Hot 100.[11] "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetwood_Mac_(1975_album)

The '75 version was not released as a single. Listen to the two versions back to back - so different. If we're going by album then the '75 version would not be constituted as a hit. Same thing with Silver Springs -- it was technically released as the B side of GYOW but wasn't a hit until The Dance.

I think a hit is anything that was released as a single and charted high. You can't call something a hit that only charted below the Top 20, unless we're just going by fan favorites and we're all so biased here... lol

[MacShadowsBall]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

The '75 version was not released as a single. Listen to the two versions back to back - so different. If we're going by album then the '75 version would not be constituted as a hit. Same thing with Silver Springs -- it was technically released as the B side of GYOW but wasn't a hit until The Dance.

Yes we're definitely going by the original album versions and nothing more. So yeah 3 hit singles and Landslide was not one of them. Good point made about Silver Springs. We aren't judging any live versions. Choice C was for favorite live performance yet it only received 6 votes. People want to do live versions then they should have voted for that option.

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I think a hit is anything that was released as a single and charted high. You can't call something a hit that only charted below the Top 20, unless we're just going by fan favorites and we're all so biased here... lol

Sounds perfect to me. We can remove the top 20 singles and nothing more.

'75 Fleetwood Mac - Over My Head, Rhiannon, Say You Love Me

Rumours - Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, Dreams, You Make Loving Fun

Tusk - Tusk, Sara, Think About Me

Mirage - Hold Me, Gypsy

Tango in the Night - Big Love, Seven Wonders, Little Lies, Everywhere

Save Me from Behind the Mask were their only Post-Rumours hit, while no other post Dance songs fit the criteria as a album hit.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall

Mirage - Hold Me, Gypsy

I had to double check you for Love in Store, but it peaked at 22.

[MacShadowsBall]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I had to double check you for Love in Store, but it peaked at 22.

Yeah, it'll be non-hit. What about "Oh Diane"? It was hit overseas but not here in America.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall

Yeah, it'll be non-hit. What about "Oh Diane"? It was hit overseas but not here in America.

Oh that's a good point didn't consider UK charts. If it wasn't a US hit then it still is a "non hit" by default -FM was technically a US band for this era.

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Oh that's a good point didn't consider UK charts. If it wasn't a US hit then it still is a "non hit" by default -FM was technically a US band for this era.

I can't really agree with this - they were huge over here and 3 out of the 5 of them Brits!

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I think a hit is anything that was released as a single and charted high. You can't call something a hit that only charted below the Top 20, unless we're just going by fan favorites and we're all so biased here... lol

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall

Save Me from Behind the Mask were their only Post-Rumours hit, while no other post Dance songs fit the criteria as a album hit.

I think we've found a solution that works, so I'm not posting this to muddy the waters, BUT....

it's funny how hard it is to define a hit. While "Landslide" from The Dance only charted at #51, you really have to take into account how much radio had changed in the 10 years preceding. There is no way that song wasn't a hit. It was played to death on several station in my area, and fifteen years later, I still hear it on the radio a couple times a month. On the other hand, I almost never hear "Hold Me" anymore, and I don't think I've heard "Big Love" since it dropped off the charts in 1987.

Once again, I'm not suggesting we change anything....I just think it's funny how you can never be sure what will be an enduring "hit."

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

I think we've found a solution that works, so I'm not posting this to muddy the waters, BUT....

it's funny how hard it is to define a hit. While "Landslide" from The Dance only charted at #51, you really have to take into account how much radio had changed in the 10 years preceding. There is no way that song wasn't a hit. It was played to death on several station in my area, and fifteen years later, I still hear it on the radio a couple times a month. On the other hand, I almost never hear "Hold Me" anymore, and I don't think I've heard "Big Love" since it dropped off the charts in 1987.

Once again, I'm not suggesting we change anything....I just think it's funny how you can never be sure what will be an enduring "hit."

You make a very good point. I think there are definite "regional" hits that may be very popular with that area's audience but not enough to make a difference on the charts. Buckingham Nicks could have probably been called a "hit" in the Birmingham, AL area but was a bomb nationally. I also heard The Dance version of "Landslide" played a lot on my local stations.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

You make a very good point. I think there are definite "regional" hits that may be very popular with that area's audience but not enough to make a difference on the charts. Buckingham Nicks could have probably been called a "hit" in the Birmingham, AL area but was a bomb nationally. I also heard The Dance version of "Landslide" played a lot on my local stations.

I hear you, but I think "Landslide" was pretty big almost everywhere. Years ago, Billboard's Top 40 was simply the 40 most popular songs in America, but eventually "Top 40" became its own genre, and those stations didn't play songs by a band as old as Fleetwood Mac. The "Landslide" video was on VH-1 all the time. Does anyone have any info on how it did on the AC charts?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

I hear you, but I think "Landslide" was pretty big almost everywhere. Years ago, Billboard's Top 40 was simply the 40 most popular songs in America, but eventually "Top 40" became its own genre, and those stations didn't play songs by a band as old as Fleetwood Mac. The "Landslide" video was on VH-1 all the time. Does anyone have any info on how it did on the AC charts?

Oh, I was just going by your comment about #51 position. I didn't know how well it did overall.

Looked it up -- "Landslide" charted at #10 on the AC chart in 1998.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall

Sounds perfect to me. We can remove the top 20 singles and nothing more.

'75 Fleetwood Mac - Over My Head, Rhiannon, Say You Love Me

Rumours - Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, Dreams, You Make Loving Fun

Tusk - Tusk, Sara, Think About Me

Mirage - Hold Me, Gypsy

Tango in the Night - Big Love, Seven Wonders, Little Lies, Everywhere

Save Me from Behind the Mask were their only Post-Rumours hit, while no other post Dance songs fit the criteria as a album hit.

I propose we make only 3 exceptions: Landslide, Gold Dust woman, and the chain. Landslide is arguable the most reconizable and well know song in this bands history. forget if the band didn't make it a single, the world has made it a single The same goes for the other 2. I hear GDW on the radio as much if not more then her singles.

Now I realize you can say back, Oh where do you draw the line. Second Hand News and World turning are quite well known, get some decent play still. what about So Afraid being such the concert staple. And you'd be right that could make things less black and white,but those 3 are really ina league of their own. lets keep your clear cut rules of top 20 singles only excluded plus those 3.

I dont want to be difficult but Id just have to question the validity of this game with Landslide, GDW and The Chain being considered non hits.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I propose we make only 3 exceptions: Landslide, Gold Dust woman, and the chain. Landslide is arguable the most reconizable and well know song in this bands history. forget if the band didn't make it a single, the world has made it a single The same goes for the other 2. I hear GDW on the radio as much if not more then her singles.

Now I realize you can say back, Oh where do you draw the line. Second Hand News and World turning are quite well known, get some decent play still. what about So Afraid being such the concert staple. And you'd be right that could make things less black and white,but those 3 are really ina league of their own. lets keep your clear cut rules of top 20 singles only excluded plus those 3.

I dont want to be difficult but Id just have to question the validity of this game with Landslide, GDW and The Chain being considered non hits.

i'm completely with you. except i might draw the line / vote a bit differently on the songs you mentioned (bolded) above (hey maybe we need a poll on whether these songs should be included as non-hits?! ).

based on the hit status and extensive radio and tv play in the last 20 or so years, plus the amount of money they made, i completely agree with you that Landslide and The Chain are hits and should not be included in the non-hits game.

GDW seems to have similar status to SHN - both have reached somewhat of a cult and hit status in the last 20 or so years. SHN is a huge staple on some of the classic rock stations. so i would say if you are excluding GDW as a hit, then you need to exclude SHN as well.

I have never heard World Turning or So Afraid on the radio, or used in the tv commercials, or as a background music on tv programs. these 2 songs are staples of Mac live shows (and ISA of LB live shows), but outside of the concert arena, these are not huge songs. so World Turning and So Afraid can safely count as non-hits.

going down the line, i would say that Peacekeeper and Say You Will were minor hits, and definitely played on the radio. so those 2 should also not be in the running for a favorite non-hit, imo.

just my 0.02.

[CADreaming]

It doesn't make sense to ignore the charts and call all fan dictated hits legitimate "hits". There has to be some standard to go by and single release/chart status is the most logical.

I would be curious to know how many singles were released in the UK vs. US. And Bob Welch is from California and was the first to infuse CA pop into FM's blues sound, so the Americanization actually began then.