Stevie at the Grammy Museum, LA

[PastelGravel]

Back to the subject at hand. I'm still in awe of your experience Jamie. So happy for all of you who got to be there! What a pleasure and an unforgettable experience. You've been so lucky this year. Remember when we were saying the westcoast was forgotten to a degree? With the shows we had last week, the signing, and this? Not bad...

[drag00n]

"I get protective towards Stevie as well, don't we all !? LOL, I feel like she's a best friend and if anyone says anything negative towards her I get a tad fiesty. hahaha"

Might sound odd, but with the way Stevie's songs always seem to pop up at just the right time, and get wrapped up with people, places, and situations, it does make it feel like she is a friend.

I do not believe that I have ever read her being nasty about anyone. That is not to say she isn't outspoken when she has an opinion on a subject. "_) But never mean spirited for just the sake of being mean.

I really think the feeling I get from reading Lindsey Buckingham comments, especially lately, is always a sense of him considering her less then he is. I am probably saying this all wrong. Even when he pays a compliment or says something "nice" there always seems to be a sense of but,,,,,,,,

I have to ask this... does anyone else get the feeling with his timing and the "sudden" announcement of the release of Seeds, that perhaps Mr Buckingham was thinking to perhaps over shadow some of Stevie's spotlight?
From what I have read, he does not seem to be accomplishing that very well........

I do have another question... I thought basically LB's contribution to IYD's was when Stevie asked him participate with Soldiers Dream. Lately in interviews, he makes it sound like he had alot more to do with the making of the entire CD...

And since I am on a roll........ Does anyone else listening to her demos, think the original versions were better before rather then after LB got his hands on them and over produced them??

Now I am really in trouble right?
D

[PastelGravel]

I totally get what you're saying Dragoon. I think the same thing sometimes. LB's a funny duck sometimes. Stevies so gracious with what she says about him and his comments can make you shake your head. He's got to be nicer and embrace the fact that they are all still alive and successful, which is amazing considering the time that has passed. He's got to honorthe history and look forward to the future. Making weirdo jealous mean spirited comments isn't going to help him in the short term or long run. :::stepping off soapbox::;

[PastelGravel]

^^^^That said, I love me some LB. His show was amazing last night. And he looked like he was having a awesome time. Even if the crowd sucked and I was only 1 of 5 people dancing.

[jellyman10]

I agree that LB's comments about the Clinton event were kind of strange, but you never know with interview quotes what else was said, so I just kind of raised my eyebrows at that.

I do think he catches a rough ride sometimes, though. I read a recent concert review (from Phoenix, I think, of all places) where they said someone had yelled 'Hi, Stevie!' at him from the crowd. LB apparently just kind of sneered and repeated 'Hi, Stevie....' and then said 'No, no, we all love Stevie very much, don't we?'

I mean, that's just a nightmare, dealing with that kind of thing. He's playing these small venues, getting close to the fans, trying to give people a really vivid live experience of his musicianship, and people are so smartass rude. I felt sorry for him and thought he did just about as well as he could with that.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by drag00n

I do not believe that I have ever read her being nasty about anyone. That is not to say she isn't outspoken when she has an opinion on a subject. "_) But never mean spirited for just the sake of being mean.

I really think the feeling I get from reading Lindsey Buckingham comments, especially lately, is always a sense of him considering her less then he is. I am probably saying this all wrong. Even when he pays a compliment or says something "nice" there always seems to be a sense of but,,,,,,,,

I have to ask this... does anyone else get the feeling with his timing and the "sudden" announcement of the release of Seeds, that perhaps Mr Buckingham was thinking to perhaps over shadow some of Stevie's spotlight?
From what I have read, he does not seem to be accomplishing that very well........

I do have another question... I thought basically LB's contribution to IYD's was when Stevie asked him participate with Soldiers Dream. Lately in interviews, he makes it sound like he had alot more to do with the making of the entire CD...

And since I am on a roll........ Does anyone else listening to her demos, think the original versions were better before rather then after LB got his hands on them and over produced them??

Now I am really in trouble right?
D

Lindsey has in no way insinuated he was more involved in her CD than his contribution to SA, which he downplayed. Stevie is the one gushing about how he was the "only one" who could make it work to her liking, but he has said he "hung out" at her house more than Stevie initially admitted. Perhaps, Stevie for once was taking his wife into consideration.

But, Stevie inserts her foot in her mouth a lot. I don't think she intends to be mean but she definitely speaks before she thinks. Like her saying Dave "has no ego" is not a direct dig at LB?? Please. And, like DS doesn't have an ego?! Ha! Everyone in that business has an ego. It may manifest differently but it's there.

Lindsey is usually very careful about what he says - as anyone can tell with the way he gives the same exact answer in every interview. The comments about her funding her appearance at the Clinton gig were pretty matter of fact and Stevie herself would probably have said it at some point -- like how she rambled on about how well she was doing financially in the recession and was able to pay her house off. Well, lucky her! No, the only odd thing about Lindsey's comment was the revealing nature -- he is privy to that information, but it's normally not something he would be transparent about.

Of course, their management released his album in the aftermath of hers. Of course, they will market them together, they are in the same band. Of course, Lindsey is not going to sell as many units - he doesn't expect that nor does he have any grandiose ideas about attaining the same heights of visibility as Stevie. I'm not convinced he ever did want that and he certainly doesn't want it in his 60's. And, if FM does tour next year this was the only time for his album to come out. Stevie herself has plugged LB's album several times.

I will never ever understand how anyone can claim to be a Stevie Nicks fan and hate Lindsey Buckingham's production in the same breath. If you love any of her songs from Fleetwood Mac you like his production. Period.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I agree that LB's comments about the Clinton event were kind of strange, but you never know with interview quotes what else was said, so I just kind of raised my eyebrows at that.

I do think he catches a rough ride sometimes, though. I read a recent concert review (from Phoenix, I think, of all places) where they said someone had yelled 'Hi, Stevie!' at him from the crowd. LB apparently just kind of sneered and repeated 'Hi, Stevie....' and then said 'No, no, we all love Stevie very much, don't we?'

I mean, that's just a nightmare, dealing with that kind of thing. He's playing these small venues, getting close to the fans, trying to give people a really vivid live experience of his musicianship, and people are so smartass rude. I felt sorry for him and thought he did just about as well as he could with that.

If you watch the video, he did not "sneer" and he was very genuine in his comments about Stevie. He was actually in good spirits and handled the situation with humor. The person who wrote that review put a total negative spin on it and it just wasn't there.

[jellyman10]

^^^ I didn't know there was a video of this. Do you know where I might find it?

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

.... but he has said he "hung out" at her house more than Stevie initially admitted. Perhaps, Stevie for once was taking his wife into consideration.

But, Stevie inserts her foot in her mouth a lot. I don't think she intends to be mean but she definitely speaks before she thinks. Like her saying Dave "has no ego" is not a direct dig at LB?? Please. And, like DS doesn't have an ego?! Ha! Everyone in that business has an ego. It may manifest differently but it's there.

Lindsey is usually very careful about what he says - as anyone can tell with the way he gives the same exact answer in every interview. The comments about her funding her appearance at the Clinton gig were pretty matter of fact and Stevie herself would probably have said it at some point -- like how she rambled on about how well she was doing financially in the recession and was able to pay her house off. Well, lucky her! No, the only odd thing about Lindsey's comment was the revealing nature -- he is privy to that information, but it's normally not something he would be transparent about.

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I will never ever understand how anyone can claim to be a Stevie Nicks fan and hate Lindsey Buckingham's production in the same breath. If you love any of her songs from Fleetwood Mac you like his production. Period.

I can't see why it would be inconsiderate of Stevie Nicks to say accurately how much time her colleague Lindsey Buckingham spent working with her on her album. Making mountains out of molehills there, I think.

Yes, Stevie speaks before she thinks. But the example you give is not an example of that trait. It's an instance, indeed as you say yourself, of her knowing exactly what she's saying. She's saying that she finds the manifestations of Dave's ego more palatable than Lindsey's. My own phrasing would be something along the lines of saying that Dave is the sort of guy who gets off on seeing other people making the music they want to make, rather than imposing his own idea of what's good.

I think we agree about why the Clinton comment was odd: it was odd because it seemed a strange thing to reveal - to undermine the apparent 'generosity' of Stevie playing the benefit gig by pointing out that she intended to make the money up elsewhere, which has the further effect of making her adding-on of more dates appear mercenary rather than driven by believe in the album, love of performing, wanting to please fanbase, or any other more noble reason. Essentially, you're arguing that LB should be commended for not plastering everything he knows about Stevie's finances or motives all over the press? I say let him plaster away. I already know full well there are aspects of Stevie's personality that don't appeal to me at all, but LB's attitude to money is equally cringeworthy.

Your last point doesn't make sense. Let's take 'Smile At You' as an example, just because it's well-known for its history. If that qualifies as one of Stevie's 'songs from Fleetwood Mac', it is also a Fleetwood Mac track that some Stevie fans who've heard the demo don't like. They like the pre-FM song but they don't like the track because of LB's production. Simple.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

^^^ I didn't know there was a video of this. Do you know where I might find it?

Yeah, it's in the LB forum. I think under the Phoenix show thread?

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I can't see why it would be inconsiderate of Stevie Nicks to say accurately how much time her colleague Lindsey Buckingham spent working with her on her album. Making mountains out of molehills there, I think.

No, what I was saying was she seemingly understated the time, compared to Lindsey's comments. He makes it seem like he was there more (which was the reason the other Ledgie made the comment about him being 'more involved' than he was). I'm not saying I know who was more accurate - just that Lindsey said he 'hung out' with her - not worked on her album.

Yes, Stevie speaks before she thinks. But the example you give is not an example of that trait. It's an instance, indeed as you say yourself, of her knowing exactly what she's saying. She's saying that she finds the manifestations of Dave's ego more palatable than Lindsey's. My own phrasing would be something along the lines of saying that Dave is the sort of guy who gets off on seeing other people making the music they want to make, rather than imposing his own idea of what's good.

Exactly. You are right. Stevie has said "Dave has NO ego." Which is total BS. If she would have phrased it like you, it would be totally realistic and probably spot on to her experiences with those two producers and seem like less of a personal attack.

I think we agree about why the Clinton comment was odd: it was odd because it seemed a strange thing to reveal - to undermine the apparent 'generosity' of Stevie playing the benefit gig by pointing out that she intended to make the money up elsewhere, which has the further effect of making her adding-on of more dates appear mercenary rather than driven by believe in the album, love of performing, wanting to please fanbase, or any other more noble reason. Essentially, you're arguing that LB should be commended for not plastering everything he knows about Stevie's finances or motives all over the press? I say let him plaster away. I already know full well there are aspects of Stevie's personality that don't appeal to me at all, but LB's attitude to money is equally cringeworthy.

Oh, I didn't think of it like that. Very true about undermining the generosity. I don't think that's what he intended, but I see how it would come off that way.

Your last point doesn't make sense. Let's take 'Smile At You' as an example, just because it's well-known for its history. If that qualifies as one of Stevie's 'songs from Fleetwood Mac', it is also a Fleetwood Mac track that some Stevie fans who've heard the demo don't like. They like the pre-FM song but they don't like the track because of LB's production. Simple.

Which is why I shouldn't post before I've had coffee!! LOL.

What I mean is -- if you specifically like any of the FM songs. Not necessarily that you've heard a demo you could then compare to a FM song and suddenly you like the demo better. Honestly, did anyone complain about Lindsey's production skills prior to SYW or is it just the hype from the DR doc that gets everybody going on that? I just think it's absurd to think of Stevie as being held in bondage to LB's production.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Which is why I shouldn't post before I've had coffee!! LOL.

What I mean is -- if you specifically like any of the FM songs. Not necessarily that you've heard a demo you could then compare to a FM song and suddenly you like the demo better. Honestly, did anyone complain about Lindsey's production skills prior to SYW or is it just the hype from the DR doc that gets everybody going on that? I just think it's absurd to think of Stevie as being held in bondage to LB's production.

I know the feeling, re coffee etc.

I've always found it incredibly interesting and a huge bonus for us fans that so many of Stevie's demos were leaked, for exactly the reason that it does allow us to gauge LB's production decisions. For me, it's a wider point about LB's musical aesthetic. I love his production on Rumours and Tusk, but I find Mirage uneven. Tango doesn't really appeal to me at all, and I hardly ever listen to it. SYW is the only FM album on which I prefer LB's tracks to SN's.

I guess the upshot of what I'm saying is that where it has become possible to compare Stevie's demo with LB's final product, I find it's a fairly wide spectrum where I think he's enhanced it or not.

I had a similar chat about this over on the LB forum recently, and my broad point was the same: that it shouldn't be automatically assumed that LB's input on SN's material is going to benefit the material. Because that would be kind of making him infallable, which seems daft to me.

[britt0308]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...I-R9Axi8&gl=US

Here's the YouTube..audio only I believe..of Stevie performing Landslide dedicated to Justin. So cool! And Jamie or someone mentioned they are friends with him, so if he's on here as well hope it's okay that I posted this!

Enjoy, haven't had the chance to listen yet.

[ali101]

Originally Posted by SNLB

"miserable muses" was what Stevie was referring to as them being each others' m&m's since she and Lindsey write so many songs about each other.

One thing I noticed when they were talking about Tusk, was Stevie mentioned Sara being on the album "if I do say so myself", which brought applause. Then she mentioned Storms was on that album too and I noticed she also mentioned "Gypsy" referring to it being on Tusk. Oops!

Sounds like you got my original seat as I was sitting in the second row aisle on the left for the same reason - to be able to see her play the piano. Then, I saw someone who worked at the museum offer up a front row center seat when a VIP didn't show up and I high-tailed it over there! What a wonderful night it was. I'd love to repeat that night again and soon!

Maybe the mind association for Stevie is when the song was written or went down on tape, which probably makes her quite accurate! Wasn't Gypsy written in the tusk era and recorded around Bella Donna?

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by britt0308

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...I-R9Axi8&gl=US

Here's the YouTube..audio only I believe..of Stevie performing Landslide !
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This link doesn't work for me. Got another one?

[britt0308]

Originally Posted by vivfox

This link doesn't work for me. Got another one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG2I-R9Axi8

here we go..stupid iphone put the mobile youtube link up! haha sorry about that. just started listening to part of it..more of a collage with photos and then audio of his question. it's amusing