President Obama's Ledgie Approval Rating- 2nd Edition

[jaycee]

Originally Posted by LikeAWillow

I don't want to hijack this thread and make it about abortion, but I just don't buy your argument here. It doesn't matter that your conception denied the life of another human. That person wasn't alive. When you believe life begins at conception, like I stated I do, that's the line. Bam. Saying that I shouldn't be concerned about a fetus because I wasn't concerned about an egg doesn't make sense. I told you that I don't believe the egg is alive (or dear god, would my period be more upsetting to me than it already is each month!), but I do believe the fetus is.

Neither do I want to hijack the thread (if you really want, you can start a new thread, but I won't bother). I guess my main point is is that most abortions are natural anyway. Also, IVF centres always have a few zygotes left over - they take about twelve zygotes, and implant only three, of which (usually) only one becomes a baby. My other point (the one you're addressing) is that it's always a retrospective thing that I can say I'm happy to be alive, as my parents are - were it another zygote that became a baby, they'd be the one happy to be alive, and my parents would be happy with them. It's also a bit like how I don't want to die, but if I did die I wouldn't actually know any better.
Imo the best demarcation that's been suggested is working out at what stage the fetus suffers in the abortion (i.e. around the time the nervous system develops). Mind, anti-abortionists are unlikely to be vegetarians, and could care little for the suffering animals endure at a slaughterhouse, or even suffering humans that would prefer to die, so this argument is also probably wasted on them.
I think it's safe to say the thread can return to topic now. I've nothing more to add.