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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'd appreciate you not comparing my relationship to incest. For the record, we also don't have anything in common with polygamists, pedophiles or folks into bestiality. The claim that allowing gay marriage suddenly opens it up for every imaginable deviant is a straw man argument, and demonstrates that those who oppose it have absolutely no genuinely valid reasons.

Regarding Obama's stance on the issue -- he's always stated that he's pro-civil unions, but not gay marriage. He's never said anything to the contrary.

And nice try dismissing the quotes. You opined that left-wingers accuse right-wingers of hate and prejudice without backing those claims up with facts -- I provided facts, and now you say "so what," and ridiculously accuse me of fascism.

They have a right to say anything they please -- however, those statements illuminate the deep-seated prejudices in the party, and negate your claim that one "never hears this kind of anger and hate coming from the right wing."

But, hey, at least you finally responded.

I still stand that you don't hear the same kind of hatred coming from the right as from the left. No right-winger has made a rap song about killing a political commentators family in front of him or about "silencing" people once and for all, or that the opposition party nominee needs to be "paralized". The best you can come up with are a bunch of ignorant statements, but no one wants to kill anyone specifically or makes any threats to. I did back up the argument with several quotes previously.

Anyway, the problem with the gay marriage agenda is that it really isn't all about rights. If it were, then it would allow for close family members to give one another spousal rights. If I'm close to my brother, sister, daughter, son, mother, father, etc then under the logic supporting gay marriage, why can't I marry one of them? Even gay marriage advocates argue that I can't because it's incest. Well, to me, it would be all about rights and not sex. The basic problem is that gay marriage boils the argument down to sex. If I'm not having sex with any of the above relations, why should it matter? It brings the government into the bedroom, which is the last place it should be. Gay marriage, as is any state sanctioned marriage, is exclusionary by nature.....STILL! Why not allow free marriage with anyone, as it may be important to pass on spousal rights to someone else I could not currently legally marry? I mean, in France, you can actually marry dead people, and in Spain a 12 year old can marry. Having the state involved in such issues just leads to craziness.