Giuliani 08

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

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Yep - the rich (however you arbitrarily define that) apparently never donate to anything you approve of - so they are all a$$holes and no one better say anything different because you know better and any discusssion that they might donate to a worthy cause every now and then when the spirit moves them automatically make the sayer of that an elitist calling for a free pass to the inherently greedy and uncaring rich

Thus, I think the apparently inherently evil rich should stop all donations right now lest they meet with your disapproval and donate for the wrong reasons

BTW - in case you did not know this or could not be bothered to research it due to the automatic venom produced by the thought of the rich doing something good - almost all of those universities you so readily bash have hospitals and other programs that administer to the poor on a regular basis, many have medical research programs that benefit society as a whole, and they have scholarship and outreach programs to help the needy at all levels, which fails to support your hastily drawn and incorrect point

On a more personal note, just look at one of our large local charities - AID Atlanta, which clearly administers to the poor and downtrodden in many ways, including education for prevention. A little over 36% (totaling $2,020,857) of its budget comes from the AIDS walk, private donations, and foundations, which are all a form of individual giving as seen here http://www.aidatlanta.org/aboutus/financials.shtml That is a huge amount of money from people when you consider how many charities are competing for that money.

In the end, it is your automatic assumption that the rich never do anything to help the poor that I find incorrect and clearly unsupported by the facts, though IMO they can and should do more.

What I said was, those donations benefit the middle class NOT the poorest of the poor. Most every donation you listed was for schools or environmental preservation (which is a good thing actually) but again, none of those donations went to the poorest. What about money for the homeless? not in your list. money for single moms to pay for childcare? not in your list. money to subsidize transportation? not on your list. things that poor people could actually USE????? NOT ON YOUR LIST. I repeat not. on. your. list.

EDIT: I stand corrected. there is ONE person whose donations actually make sense:

Joan B. Kroc—a bequest of $1.91 billion to 10 organizations. Kroc, who died on Oct. 12, 2003, at age 75, was the widow of Ray A. Kroc, the founder of the McDonald's Corp. Her gifts were: $1.5 billion to the Salvation Army, in Alexandria, Va., to construct and endow up to 50 recreational and educational facilities across the United States; $200 million to National Public Radio to support the network's operating reserves and endowment; $60 million to Ronald McDonald House Charities to be distributed to its programs worldwide; $50 million to the University of Notre Dame to support the Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies; $50 million to the University of San Diego to establish the Joan B. Kroc School of Peace Studies at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice; $20 million to San Diego Hospice and Palliative Care to support its programs and services; $10 million to the San Diego Opera to support artistic programming; $5 million to KPBS radio and television, in San Diego, to establish an endowment and operating reserve and create a capital-equipment fund; $5 million to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Diego to build a high school; and $500,000 to Mama's Kitchen, a meal-delivery service in San Diego for people with AIDS. Before her death, Kroc gave $5 million to the University of San Diego to endow a lecture series at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice.

aside from that....I dont see much for you to praise your vaunted elites for.

oh and this:

almost all of those universities you so readily bash have hospitals and other programs that administer to the poor on a regular basis,

is a red herring. Those oh-so-humanitarian Universities? They dont take Medi-Cal. (or whatever your State funded insurance is called). So, they are really NOT helping the poor. The families they DO help go into hock to pay for those services and you read the sob stories in the paper all the time and how the towns take up donations for the families......not MY idea of helping the poor--oh NO.

btw: I was not bashing the Universities in my earlier post, I was pointing out that the donations you are so proud of arent helping the poor because you dont see many welfare recipients in University classrooms. (a few, maybe)
What I was trying to point out, (and you ignored) was that these donations arent taking a form that really helps the neediest.