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Old 04-29-2018, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 View Post
I think they are banking (no pun intended) on the media being far more forgiving than they might actually be.
Yes I think they believe (and I think they may be right) that this will all blow over and everyone will forget about it soon enough.


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Originally Posted by button-lip View Post
I think the November 2019 thing was also on the RS article, .
Yes, in more than one place.


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Originally Posted by MoonSister75 View Post
More sweeping statements....
I'm a Stevie fan and I loved the Buckvie album, and don't view Lindsey as a monster for calling it Buckingham McVie.
The constant generalising about Stevie fans does get irritating. And I realise it's not going to change.
I agree that all Stevie fans are being tarred with the same brush as the superfans. Contrary to how others want to similarly whitewash people on here as Lindsey "superfans" or Lindsey apologists, I got into FM because of Stevie and was a major fan of hers. I have never been a Lindsey "superfan". I've actually only been a "superfan" of the Five, together. The truth is both S & L have engaged in bad behavior. It's just that his has been at least whispered about and then outright talked about for a long time, while hers has not... until recently when some of her more unflattering diva behaviors have come out.

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie View Post
It's not even an age thing. Somewhere along the line, someone decided that concerts need to sound like the records. Like, EXACTLY like the records.
Now this, I think, is something that can be pinned on Lindsey more than some of the other members of FM. He goes over the top with it on most of his solo tours.


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Of course it must be all Stevie's fault, as Lindsey is an innocent angel and couldn't possibly have done anything to contribute to what just occurred
I have not heard any of the folks here saying that Lindsey is an angel. Far from it. He's a pain in the a$$ a lot of the time, and can be a spoiled diva. All people are saying is, the same can be said of Stevie. She's just packaged it better over the years.


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If they were actually ARTISTS, and not whores, this scenario would've happened when she refused to record for BuckVie.
This is where the current story about it being about scheduling falls apart. If you go back and read the interviews where she was being patently obstructionist to the band getting any work done -- touring OR recording-- she should have been fired according to the rules they are now claiming they applied to Lindsey. They didn't, we all agree, because she's the big money maker. Yet they will continue to pretend they deal with all members equally. It's that hypocrisy that has been made glaringly obvious in recent events, and the fact that they seem to believe we can't all see it is mind boggling.


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I became a fan in 1997, for me what's really sad is the latest events seems to have negated all of the progress we THOUGHT had been made since 1997. Apparently we were all wrong. 30 years later and Mick is just as ok to replace people now as he was 30 years ago. At one point in 2013 we thought the ice had melted enough between Buckingham and Nicks that maybe could finally lead to an interesting chapter. It's been SLOW progress for the past 20+ years but fans stood by hoping for good ground in the future. I think we were all hoping that time would in fact heal wounds and as we enter these twilight years of this band, we were hoping for that lightning to be captured in a bottle just one more time. There was probably no greater joy than the 2013 interviews that revealed the possibility of stevie and Lindsey really working together again.

But the reality is - relations were paper thin back in 97 and apparently remain so to this day. Despite everything they have done together since.
Well-said!

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Originally Posted by bwboy View Post
I would have loved it if these 5 members had been able to continue recording for years, but for various reasons, it didn't happen. Lindsey left for 10 years, Christine wasn't allowed to contribute after the Dance until she returned full time, and Stevie didn't want to contribute after Say You Will, with the exception of one song for their EP. So there were lots of factors and reasons we didn't get more music more often. But that doesn't negate the good stuff for me, and I hope it doesn't for most FM fans.
And the difference is that Lindsey officially left when he didn't want to participate anymore. Christine officially left when she didn't want to tour anymore. Stevie, however, did NOT leave. She just impeded the band. She expected them to tolerate her unwillingness to participate, and didn't have the cojones, or the decency, or whatever, to be honest and just leave. And the band didn't hold her to the same standard. Chris was given conditions for her return. Stevie has never been given conditions. We all see the hypocrisy, which can be justified in business terms as her being the money maker. The band, however, keeps either deluding themselves or trying to delude us about it.


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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind View Post
Stevie would never be fired because she's the big star. She's the person most people buy FM tickets to see. She holds the cards and they all know it. No matter what she did she would never be fired.
Does no one remember Mick's interviews in 2012 when he basically was crying that Fleetwood Mac is dead because Stevie was so caught up in her solo project she wasn't agreeing to tour or do anything for the band:

"I don’t believe Fleetwood Mac will ever tour again,” Fleetwood says dryly. “But I really hope we do. We have rehearsed and prepared for it since 2010. We were supposed to tour in 2011, but we delayed it for a year to allow Stevie Nicks to support her solo record and for Lindsey Buckingham to do the same with his. I’ve always been supportive of my bandmates doing solo albums, so long as we kept our band together. If you look at the credits as far back as you like, I’ve always played extensively on many of them, and this time was no different. I played drums on most of Stevie’s latest album, the one she is still out there supporting and the one that is the reason that for now she refuses to do a Fleetwood Mac tour. It comes down to her, and for the first time, I think, even Lindsey has lost his patience. All of this uncertainty is a tremendous change for me.”
http://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/2012...ayboy.html?m=1
If you click the link you can read even more revealing things he says. And if you read the 2013 profile of the band on your, you can see that it says they were supposed to head out before, but had to delay a year because of Stevie. Had this been any other band member they would have been axed and replaced so Mick could go out and make his money. But that won't happen with Stevie and they all know it. The story the band is telling that Lindsey INSISTED on delaying the tour is a very twisted version of the truth. Lindsey knows he doesn't have that power like Stevie.
And this is a good example.
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