I'm Sorry but I Don't Love IYD (Yet)

[-Lillith-]

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

Thanks sweetie, that totally makes sense and I'm sure I will get more into it as time goes on .

Yes i mean what i said. I like most of the people here but a few are sometimes very critical in a offensive way, you say your opinion in a appropriate way.
( dont forget i lurked a while before )
And you love Stevie like i do, if you love the Album or not.

I am sure there are songs that will grow on you with time, let us know

[PenguinHead]

I can understand why some people have a certain expectation of what Stevie is supposed to be, both visually and musically. It's a conceptional ideal of what Stevie sometimes represents. It was an image that she has successfully constructed and mined for decades. Bella Donna is often cited as her zenith in that regard.

But consider this: She was in her early thirties when Bella Donna was made. It's now thirty-something years later. Think about how (if you're old enough) you have changed in that amount of time. Are you still dressing like you were then? Have your tastes and behaviors changed and evolved over time? That's part of life. If anything, Stevie's changes have been incremental, as compared to other artists who have really challenged their fans with drastic musical shifts. Stevie has been very consistent in her approaches.

For me, In Your Dreams shows that Stevie has finally made a (slight) shift in her approach. She's very late to the game, but it's still very Stevie. I don't understand all the senseless, hyper-critical blather going on here. Stevie has never been a critic's darling. Yet, now we are seeing the best reviews and praise she has ever had. You every right to express your opinions/dismay/dislike because it doesn't fit your concept of what you want Stevie to be. But Stevie is still Stevie, no matter what she does. She has progressed and moved forward. Apparentlyothers haven't. I, myself, have often complained that Stevie is stuck in the past, and I guess some fans want to keep her there.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think Itunes has done a lot of damage to the music industry, and how people process music. It's killed the entire experience of listening to body of work as a full entity. Now it's about instant gratifaction and dismissal of everything that doesn't "hit" you right away. So you immediately pick and choose what you like and don't like, hence statements like "I'm going to skip this or that song." In that self-righteous process you are actually denying yourself.

I skip nothing. I listen to albums as an entire experience. Sure, there are some parts I enjoy more than others, but it is what it is. Often I come to the realization, over time, that I can appreciate aspects of the work that I otherwise wouldn't. In other words, I'm not so quick to judge things. It's served me well in life, as it has with music.

[louielouie2000]

I was none too amused by the country flair at first either. The songs that sound solidly country or country-tinged are numerous:

For What It's Worth
In Your Dreams
Ghosts Are Gone
You May Be The One
Cheaper Than Free

You could almost lump in:

New Orleans
Annabel Lee

Moonlight is the only stereotypical Stevie track. But now that I've heard the album at least a dozen times, I think the overall country-tinged sound just works. The album is very earthy and literal. This is not Other Side Of The Mirror. Stevie is singing about wars, natural disasters, death, loss of enchantment, etc. This is the first truly straightforward album Stevie has ever put out. I think that's why the folksy sound just works for it. You just can't sing about New Orleans or Walter Reed and put it to synth . This is almost her little modern day protest album... done only the way Stevie Nicks would do a protest album. I think Stevie did a very smart thing with this record. The state of the world is total crap right now: wars, recession, nasty politics, etc. If she put out a dreamy, synthy album she would be lampooned and be derided as hopelessly out of touch. Instead, she put out an earthy, lyrically honest, approachable record. I think it was just plain smart, in my opinion. On top of that, when viewed as an entire work vs song to song, it's an excellent album.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I was none too amused by the country flair at first either. The songs that sound solidly country or country-tinged are numerous:

For What It's Worth
In Your Dreams
Ghosts Are Gone
You May Be The One
Cheaper Than Free

You could almost lump in:

New Orleans
Annabel Lee

Moonlight is the only stereotypical Stevie track. But now that I've heard the album at least a dozen times, I think the overall country-tinged sound just works. The album is very earthy and literal. This is not Other Side Of The Mirror. Stevie is singing about wars, natural disasters, death, loss of enchantment, etc. This is the first truly straightforward album Stevie has ever put out. I think that's why the folksy sound just works for it. You just can't sing about New Orleans or Walter Reed and put it to synth . This is almost her little modern day protest album... done only the way Stevie Nicks would do a protest album. I think Stevie did a very smart thing with this record. The state of the world is total crap right now: wars, recession, nasty politics, etc. If she put out a dreamy, synthy album she would be lampooned and be derided as hopelessly out of touch. Instead, she put out an earthy, lyrically honest, approachable record. I think it was just plain smart, in my opinion. On top of that, when viewed as an entire work vs song to song, it's an excellent album.

I agree with this

[bluefox4000]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I was none too amused by the country flair at first either. The songs that sound solidly country or country-tinged are numerous:

For What It's Worth
In Your Dreams
Ghosts Are Gone
You May Be The One
Cheaper Than Free

You could almost lump in:

New Orleans
Annabel Lee

Moonlight is the only stereotypical Stevie track. But now that I've heard the album at least a dozen times, I think the overall country-tinged sound just works. The album is very earthy and literal. This is not Other Side Of The Mirror. Stevie is singing about wars, natural disasters, death, loss of enchantment, etc. This is the first truly straightforward album Stevie has ever put out. I think that's why the folksy sound just works for it. You just can't sing about New Orleans or Walter Reed and put it to synth . This is almost her little modern day protest album... done only the way Stevie Nicks would do a protest album. I think Stevie did a very smart thing with this record. The state of the world is total crap right now: wars, recession, nasty politics, etc. If she put out a dreamy, synthy album she would be lampooned and be derided as hopelessly out of touch. Instead, she put out an earthy, lyrically honest, approachable record. I think it was just plain smart, in my opinion. On top of that, when viewed as an entire work vs song to song, it's an excellent album.

Exellent Post Louie. It's her most cohesive album in years and it works. Could not have said it better. It's also the most passionate album she's made in years. that'....for me mind you......is what was lacking in past albums. PASSION.

Mick

[jkmaletic]

For me, I loved most of the songs off the bat. The ones that took a little longer for me to appreciate were, "For What it's Worth", "Soldier's Angel", "New Orleans", and "Cheaper Than Free" - now I love those too after hearing them in a relaxed atmosphere and just really soaking them in. Maybe the same will happen to you Lindsay, but then maybe not. I hope it does though.

I'm so proud of Stevie's work on this album. Do you know for SURE that she didn't write the melodies on all but 4? I tend to think that she had to have at least had an IDEA of how it should sound. If she didn't, then I'm still OK with it. They all still sound very Stevie-esque to me regardless.

I truly love this album and can't wait to have the CD in my hot little hands so I can blast it in my car and download it to my ipod. I've just been listening through the RS stream on my andriod phone. Someone here mentioned the audio quality on the CD will be much better than the stream, so I'm looking forward to that.

Bottom line, we all have different opinions about things, and some people don't like things that the majority does sometimes. For instance, I never got into the shows "Friends" or "Seinfeld", but they were hugely popular. So, to each his own, right?


Jamie

[markolas]

Like I said, it's interesting to see/hear what people's perceptions of "country" are. The only song that even hints at country, to me, is Cheaper Than Free. I'd describe most of the songs Louie mentioned as "roots rock," not country.

This is country:

[SapphireSister]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

For me, In Your Dreams shows that Stevie has finally made a (slight) shift in her approach. She's very late to the game, but it's still very Stevie. I don't understand all the senseless, hyper-critical blather going on here.

Pardon me, but can you please point out specifically the hyper-critical blather you refer to? Did I miss something?

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

Stevie has never been a critic's darling. Yet, now we are seeing the best reviews and praise she has ever had. You every right to express your opinions/dismay/dislike because it doesn't fit your concept of what you want Stevie to be.

This has nothing to do with who I want Stevie to be.If you read my post thoroughly you will have picked up on how thrilled I am that she is where she is today. I think I made that pretty apparent. I'm also extremely happy about the critical success of this album so far. My point was that these songs are not necessarily in my tastes musically, Stevie or not.

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

But Stevie is still Stevie, no matter what she does. She has progressed and moved forward. You haven't.

I hope you are not speaking of me in particular because you have no idea who I am and/or how I've progressed.

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think Itunes has done a lot of damage to the music industry. It's killed the entire experience of listening to body of work as a full entity. Now it's about instant gratifaction and dismissal of everything that doesn't "hit" you right away. So you immediately pick and choose what you like and don't like, hence statements like "I'm going to skip this or that song." In that self-righteous process you are actually denying yourself.

You are making statements here that are clearly untrue in reference to anything I've said. Did you not hear me say I'm more than willing to give every song a chance and that these are my initial feelings? So what if I want instant gratification? Isn't that my right when I pay for music?


Another thing: Take your violet and blue mornings with you .

[Jondalar]

I like the more literal Stevie (mixed with some mysticism) way better than the codex

[SapphireSister]

Originally Posted by jkmaletic

For me, I loved most of the songs off the bat. The ones that took a little longer for me to appreciate were, "For What it's Worth", "Soldier's Angel", "New Orleans", and "Cheaper Than Free" - now I love those too after hearing them in a relaxed atmosphere and just really soaking them in. Maybe the same will happen to you Lindsay, but then maybe not. I hope it does though.

I'm so proud of Stevie's work on this album. Do you know for SURE that she didn't write the melodies on all but 4? I tend to think that she had to have at least had an IDEA of how it should sound. If she didn't, then I'm still OK with it. They all still sound very Stevie-esque to me regardless.I truly love this album and can't wait to have the CD in my hot little hands so I can blast it in my car and download it to my ipod. I've just been listening through the RS stream on my andriod phone. Someone here mentioned the audio quality on the CD will be much better than the stream, so I'm looking forward to that.

Bottom line, we all have different opinions about things, and some people don't like things that the majority does sometimes. For instance, I never got into the shows "Friends" or "Seinfeld", but they were hugely popular. So, to each his own, right?


Jamie

Hi Jame! Btw you were in my dream last night, for real lol!
In regards to whether or not she wrote the lyrics and melodies, somebody posted this in another thread:

The songwriting credits are as follows:

Secret Love (Stevie)
For What It's Worth (Words: Stevie; Music: Mike Campbell)
In Your Dreams (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Wide Sargasso Sea (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
New Orleans (Words: Stevie; Music: Neale Heywood)
Moonlight (Stevie)
Annabel Lee (Music: Stevie; Words adapted from the Edgar Allan Poe poem "Annabel Lee"; Interlude Waddy Wachtel)
Soldier's Angel (Stevie)
Everybody Loves You (Words: Stevie & Dave; Music: Dave)
Ghosts Are Gone (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
You May Be The One (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Italian Summer (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Cheaper Than Free (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)


Maybe I'm just taking this too literally and she did have something to do with the melodies. That's probably more than likely. In the end though I guess it doesn't matter - they are still her songs.

[jkmaletic]

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

Hi Jame! Btw you were in my dream last night, for real lol!
In regards to whether or not she wrote the lyrics and melodies, somebody posted this in another thread:

The songwriting credits are as follows:

Secret Love (Stevie)
For What It's Worth (Words: Stevie; Music: Mike Campbell)
In Your Dreams (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Wide Sargasso Sea (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
New Orleans (Words: Stevie; Music: Neale Heywood)
Moonlight (Stevie)
Annabel Lee (Music: Stevie; Words adapted from the Edgar Allan Poe poem "Annabel Lee"; Interlude Waddy Wachtel)
Soldier's Angel (Stevie)
Everybody Loves You (Words: Stevie & Dave; Music: Dave)
Ghosts Are Gone (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
You May Be The One (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Italian Summer (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Cheaper Than Free (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)


Maybe I'm just taking this too literally and she did have something to do with the melodies. That's probably more than likely. In the end though I guess it doesn't matter - they are still her songs.

I hope your dream was something along the lines of that we were both at Sunset Sessions again with Stevie and she invited us over for drinks and a personal live show for us in her room.
That would be epic.

Jamie

[WildHearted]

Stevie went into detail about the songwriting with Dave - he played stuff on the guitar, and she sang her poems over it. So Dave wrote the music and Stevie sang the melody and the lyrics. She came up with the melodies but they obviously had to be derived from/based around what chords Dave was playing, which is why he gets the credit for writing the music.

It's the same reason that, say, Lindsey didn't get credit for writing the music on Soldier's Angel even though I'm sure that Stevie didn't come up with his guitar part in her demo

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

Hi Jame! Btw you were in my dream last night, for real lol!
In regards to whether or not she wrote the lyrics and melodies, somebody posted this in another thread:

The songwriting credits are as follows:

Secret Love (Stevie)
For What It's Worth (Words: Stevie; Music: Mike Campbell)
In Your Dreams (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Wide Sargasso Sea (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
New Orleans (Words: Stevie; Music: Neale Heywood)
Moonlight (Stevie)
Annabel Lee (Music: Stevie; Words adapted from the Edgar Allan Poe poem "Annabel Lee"; Interlude Waddy Wachtel)
Soldier's Angel (Stevie)
Everybody Loves You (Words: Stevie & Dave; Music: Dave)
Ghosts Are Gone (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
You May Be The One (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Italian Summer (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)
Cheaper Than Free (Words: Stevie; Music: Dave Stewart)


Maybe I'm just taking this too literally and she did have something to do with the melodies. That's probably more than likely. In the end though I guess it doesn't matter - they are still her songs.

I'm happy about the credits. First time she got credit in every song.

[SapphireSister]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Stevie went into detail about the songwriting with Dave - he played stuff on the guitar, and she sang her poems over it. So Dave wrote the music and Stevie sang the melody and the lyrics. She came up with the melodies but they obviously had to be derived from/based around what chords Dave was playing, which is why he gets the credit for writing the music.

It's the same reason that, say, Lindsey didn't get credit for writing the music on Soldier's Angel even though I'm sure that Stevie didn't come up with his guitar part in her demo

Yes, she did say that! I guess I don't know enough about song-writing to have realized that's what she meant. Thanks for clearing this up .

[BlueDenimLamp]

The "Ghosts Are Gone" is Country just because it has some Slide Guitar in it? To me it sounds like a Rocker...The problem is that Country isn't country anymore...It's pop/Rock with a sprinkling of fiddles,mandolins and banjo's...And don't forget the required "Twang"...But hey that's my opinion...Since this album has been so long in the making plus the fact that we received numerous tweets on a daily basis from Dave Stewart for almost a year...Could it be that our expectations were more than could ever possibly be delivered?