Stevie's Collaberation with Dave ?

Fleetwoodmark · #1 02-20-2011, 06:35 PM

Is anyone a little apprehensive about the fact that 7 songs of the 13 on the new album are co writes ?

Having listened to the previews of Dave's "Blackbird Diaries" I think his ability to write decent lyrics are somewhat limited, are very simplistic and don't have very much meaning beyond what seems to be a catchy melody. Unless of course the lyrics are purely Stevie's and Dave has just helped with the music.

I guess my fear is by doing this it might "dilute" what real Stevie songs are. I've not been a fan of Dave's work in the past so I look forward to this album with some trepidation. Lindsey knew exactly where to go with Stevie's songs in the past, I'm not too sure it will be the same case with Dave at the helm.

Anyone share my view ?

cristochango · #2 02-20-2011, 06:48 PM

I'm actually going to counter your view. Stevie seems really excited about the fact that she co-wrote so many songs with Dave, going as far to even use the Beatles analogy she likes to use.

Personally, I feel as though that it really comes down to the fact that we haven't gotten a new Stevie album in 10 years. She says that she's continually writing- yet none of these have ever come together for an actual album.

IF Dave is somehow able to get Stevie to co-write with him and to get her to release an album? More power to him. I applaud Dave for how much publicity he has gotten Stevie with everything that he has done (twitter, for instance)

I also think that none of us really have any idea to what extent Dave is helping Stevie write these songs.. I mean, didn't Stevie get credit as a co-writer for adding the word "Emmiline" to Seven Wonders?

He may only be helping her with a couple of words and everything.

Also, to pull from Destiny Rules. Stevie likes her music the way she writes it. (Eg, "You wouldn't say THAT to Bob Dylan") What we are going to get is going to be fully supported by Stevie, and it is most definitely going to be good.

To wrap all of this up... I think it's going to be great, and I am not worried about the co-writing at all

haha

Artemis · #3 02-20-2011, 07:16 PM

Personally, I think Dave is writing the music, or at least the more complex parts of it, whilst Stevie is writing the lyrics. Unless people don't get co-writing credits if they do the music? I don't know

cristochango · #4 02-20-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Personally, I think Dave is writing the music, or at least the more complex parts of it, whilst Stevie is writing the lyrics. Unless people don't get co-writing credits if they do the music? I don't know

I'm with you with this... Because Sandy Stewart got a lot of co-writes during Wild Heart, right?

Artemis · #5 02-20-2011, 07:32 PM

Yar, Sandy helped Stevie out on;

If Anyone Falls
Nightbird
Nothing Ever Changes

I wonder why the two of them never collaborate these days, a lot of Stevie's good songs have had help from Sandy Stewart

BombaySapphire3 · #6 02-20-2011, 07:33 PM

Stevie has mentioned in interviews that Dave had her use entire poems that she presented to him as opposed to editing them down for song form so I'm presuming he has written the music to them .She did make the remark about her giving him long poems and him giving her various chord changes neither of which the other was good at on their own.

cristochango · #7 02-20-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Yar, Sandy helped Stevie out on;

If Anyone Falls
Nightbird
Nothing Ever Changes

I wonder why the two of them never collaborate these days, a lot of Stevie's good songs have had help from Sandy Stewart

I think I saw on the Track listing page that there were a few? I may be wrong?

Jondalar · #8 02-21-2011, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleetwoodmark

Is anyone a little apprehensive about the fact that 7 songs of the 13 on the new album are co writes ?

Having listened to the previews of Dave's "Blackbird Diaries" I think his ability to write decent lyrics are somewhat limited, are very simplistic and don't have very much meaning beyond what seems to be a catchy melody. Unless of course the lyrics are purely Stevie's and Dave has just helped with the music.

I guess my fear is by doing this it might "dilute" what real Stevie songs are. I've not been a fan of Dave's work in the past so I look forward to this album with some trepidation. Lindsey knew exactly where to go with Stevie's songs in the past, I'm not too sure it will be the same case with Dave at the helm.

Anyone share my view ?

I would be more apprenshensive if Stevie wrote all the songs herself.

GypsySorcerer · #9 02-21-2011, 08:11 AM

I think Dave's contributions will be largely musical, which is a good thing. She has said herself that she only knows "four chords," so she was excited with what he brought to musically.

Fleetwoodmark · #10 02-21-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

I think Dave's contributions will be largely musical, which is a good thing. She has said herself that she only knows "four chords," so she was excited with what he brought to musically.

Hmm,

Four chords hasn't been a limit to Stevie before though - Sara, Gypsy, Dreams etc.

Aww well nobody seems to share my apprehension, we'll just have to wait and see.

WildHearted · #11 02-21-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

I think Dave's contributions will be largely musical, which is a good thing. She has said herself that she only knows "four chords," so she was excited with what he brought to musically.

Stevie's 'I only know four chords' statement kind of threw me for a loop. I just don't even see it being remotely possible... Landslide, which she claims to have written on an acoustic guitar, uses more than four chords. Also, unless she writes ALL of her songs in the same key and then later they get changed around... that's just.. no, it just doesn't even make sense. I know she's prone to exaggerating but that comment she made confused me to no end. CERTAINLY she knows how to play more than four on the piano... if you know how to play one chord, right there you can play at least 20 different others just by keeping your hand in that position and moving it around the keyboard.

olive · #12 02-21-2011, 11:02 AM

maybe he's helping her write more complex themes other than Lindsey, and Mick ,

Fleetwoodmark · #13 02-21-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by WildHearted

Stevie's 'I only know four chords' statement kind of threw me for a loop. I just don't even see it being remotely possible... Landslide, which she claims to have written on an acoustic guitar, uses more than four chords. Also, unless she writes ALL of her songs in the same key and then later they get changed around... that's just.. no, it just doesn't even make sense. I know she's prone to exaggerating but that comment she made confused me to no end. CERTAINLY she knows how to play more than four on the piano... if you know how to play one chord, right there you can play at least 20 different others just by keeping your hand in that position and moving it around the keyboard.

Yeah, Thats just typical Stevie exaggeration - I wouldn't get too hung up on it. I think it's just to emphasise the rudimentary style in which she can play it. It also serves for an excuse never to play it live.

seekerj · #14 02-21-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleetwoodmark

Is anyone a little apprehensive about the fact that 7 songs of the 13 on the new album are co writes ?

Having listened to the previews of Dave's "Blackbird Diaries" I think his ability to write decent lyrics are somewhat limited, are very simplistic and don't have very much meaning beyond what seems to be a catchy melody. Unless of course the lyrics are purely Stevie's and Dave has just helped with the music.

I guess my fear is by doing this it might "dilute" what real Stevie songs are. I've not been a fan of Dave's work in the past so I look forward to this album with some trepidation. Lindsey knew exactly where to go with Stevie's songs in the past, I'm not too sure it will be the same case with Dave at the helm.

Anyone share my view ?

Yes, I absolutely share your view. Well stated. You have perfectly put into words what I've been thinking. Thank you.

seekerj · #15 02-21-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

I would be more apprenshensive if Stevie wrote all the songs herself.

I would be actually looking forward to the album if this were the case. If I wanted to listen to Dave Stewart's music, I would buy his records. Just like if I wanted to hear Bob Seger songs done live, I would buy a ticket to Bob Seger's show, not Stevie's.