All The Beautiful Worlds - Page 2

mikebise · #16 03-06-2010, 04:14 PM

No, only one "All The Beautiful Worlds", and that's from The Wild Heart, recorded here in Dallas in 1982.

I was referencing "Joan of Arc" that someone else mentioned, that's why Tango was referred to.

I hope to post my Master-level quality recording of "All The Beautiful Worlds" very soon when I move and have new high-speed Internet.

Grinnygog · #17 03-12-2010, 11:14 PM

For years I only heard the version of ALL THE BEAUTIFUL WORLDS on the "Demos & Outtakes" CDs that Anne Strikwerda used to sell many years ago overseas. Most of the demos on these CDs were terrible quality. Most cassette players were slightly different speeds and when people dubbed these demos from a tape recorded on one player to another player - there were lots of variances.

The versions I've heard online and on the "Demos & Outtakes" CDs were slightly lower and slower than the Master Sessions version that finally surfaced online. BUT, I feel the Masters Sessions I have MAY have been transferred from a cassette itself and NOT master tapes like many other songs have been. There's some tape hiss/noise on there that is not on other Masters I've heard like DIAL THE NUMBER. Because of this, the older less quality ALL THE BEAUTIFUL WORLD's may have been the correct pitch and speed. I actually lowered the Masters version to the pitch and speed of the version I've listened to for years and I swear it sounds more RIGHT than leaving it unchanged. Normally I would say it's just because I've heard it so long in that key. But I swear there's just something not right about Stevie's voice in that version, just like in PRETTIEST GIRL IN THE WORLD, which I feel is probably in the wrong key on the "Demos & Outtakes" CDs. Anyone else ever notice this?

paleshadow · #18 03-13-2010, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

So there are 2 different recordings of ATBW? One during TWH era and one from the TINT outtakes? Can you please post the master quality copy you have? This song means the world to me. That Jimmy Iovine made a huge mistake but cutting it

. This song could have been a great part of Stevie's legacy.

Thanks for the info.

Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/file/z3htyk...rldsMaster.mp3

nicksphan · #19 03-13-2010, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paleshadow

Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/file/z3htyk...rldsMaster.mp3

Thanks for sharing. I never really paid much attention to this song because of the quality of the demo I had, but since I've heard better quality versions from this thread, I've grown to love it.

Stviebilly (as astute as always) noticed the other day that the song shares lyrics with You Won't Forget Me (from the Buckingham Nicks days.)

SapphireSister · #20 03-13-2010, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paleshadow

Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/file/z3htyk...rldsMaster.mp3

Thank you so much! You just made my world so much more beautiful.

So much better than the one I have.

Grinnygog · #21 03-13-2010, 04:09 PM

Here is an mp3 of the version that circulated for years in a different key/pitch/speed than the master quality version paleshadow posted.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ytjnlzknzan

And here is the master quality version paleshadow posted, but I have changed the key and tempo to match the version that circulated for years. I still swear it sounds more correct. Compare the two - listen at Stevie's vibratto. It's too fast in the unaltered version. I still believe this mp3, which says it's from a 01/02/86 Master Compilation Reel, is transferred from a cassette. There's more tape hiss than other Master Reel recordings I've heard. The other Master Reel mp3s also do not say COMPILATION REEL. You decide.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zid0xzoz1go

nailatixela · #22 03-13-2010, 04:32 PM

Thanks for posting this one. One question. Will the real All The Beautiful Worlds please stand up? Are these are just different speeds, and not actual different version? Still listening to all 3 to try and figure this out.

SapphireSister · #23 03-13-2010, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grinnygog

Here is an mp3 of the version that circulated for years in a different key/pitch/speed than the master quality version paleshadow posted.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ytjnlzknzan

After hearing the one paleshoadow posted it's hard to listen to this one with inferior quality. But, I still like it much better in the higher pitch/speed/key. It's too slow IMO but it could be because I'm just used to the other one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grinnygog

And here is the master quality version paleshadow posted, but I have changed the key and tempo to match the version that circulated for years. I still swear it sounds more correct. Compare the two - listen at Stevie's vibratto. It's too fast in the unaltered version. I still believe this mp3, which says it's from a 01/02/86 Master Compilation Reel, is transferred from a cassette. There's more tape hiss than other Master Reel recordings I've heard. The other Master Reel mp3s also do not say COMPILATION REEL. You decide.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zid0xzoz1go

I've changed my mind. This one is better! She sounds a little too mickey mouseie in paleshadow's version compared to this although I do like them both.
Now the questions is - are there 2 different time periods she recorded this? Only one in 1982 like MikeBise said or 1982 and 1986 like yours is labeled? I'm totally confused.

Grinnygog · #24 03-14-2010, 11:01 AM

EXACTLY! Here we have this "masters compilation reel" studio quality version released, but it has lesser quality sound than the other "masters" I've heard. AND the date is listed as 1986, but the song was supposed to be 1982. SO - I really believe this "masters compilation reel" source is a cassette copy of the master (or who knows, it could be a copy of a copy) and the speed & pitch are incorrect. I think the slower tempo and lower key is correct. I'm glad to see others agree. I really wish Stevie would release some of these great outtakes - she has enough to fill a boxset!!!

Does anyone know the source of all these "masters" that have surfaced last decade? I once read that someone found them in a warehouse - but who IS this person and how can we get actually CD copies or download the full .wavs versus all the inferior compressed mp3s that have surfaced of these for the last decade? I know there was a torrent website awhile back dedicated to sharing Stevie rarities in full quality - is it still around?

The "masters" I've heard are great. DIAL THE NUMBER is phenomenal. I remember a song titled LILY GIRL was also from those sessions. And someone apparantly has SMILE AT YOU Fleetwood Mac masters because they released various mixes of the vocals and such.

mikebise · #25 03-14-2010, 11:10 AM

The person who got the Master Reels (actual reel-to-reels, old school stuff, kiddos!) sold them to a group of Stevie Fans who paid for studio time to have the Reels "baked" (a studio term for processing and transferring), mixed, mastered and put on CD. This was very, very expensive, and took 3 years to complete.

"All The Beautiful Worlds" is not from those Master Reels that were transferred in 2002-2005. It came from elsewhere.

But it was only fully-recorded once, here in Dallas, in 1982, produced by Gordon Perry, who personally told me all about it in 1996. It's not from 1986.

SapphireSister · #26 03-14-2010, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikebise

The person who got the Master Reels (actual reel-to-reels, old school stuff, kiddos!) sold them to a group of Stevie Fans who paid for studio time to have the Reels "baked" (a studio term for processing and transferring), mixed, mastered and put on CD. This was very, very expensive, and took 3 years to complete.

What does it involve to have songs mixed and mastered to improve the quality? I ask because I know someone who has access to all of the latest studio equipment and programs and there's a good chance I could get him to work on some Stevie stuff for us. Is there copyright issues involved? Do you need permission to make changes to the tracks and make them public?

mikebise · #27 03-14-2010, 11:56 AM

Yeah, it is illegal, of course.

Anyway, the process isn't taking CDs or normal cassettes and making them sound better. These Reels sound perfect on ancient reel-to-reel players, the kind you can see working when Stevie's recording "Angel" in the studio.

None of us have these at home. Making copies required a very intricate studio process (called "baking") and mixing and mastering for optimum sound. Yes, mixing was involved on some tracks. The "a capaella" and "stripped down" versions you might see here and there were not on the Masters; they were achieved in the studio, taking off the various instruments. That's how MOST of the many Stevie dance remixes made by fans were able to be done, stripping things down to just Stevie & the girls so that dance music could be added to them.

All distribution of Stevie's unreleased songs is illegal without her permission. Same as making a burned CD copy of Trouble in Shangri-la and giving it to a friend.

Studio time on the Master Reels was to transfer the delicate, fragile tape of the reels.

mikebise · #28 03-14-2010, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

What does it involve to have songs mixed and mastered to improve the quality? I ask because I know someone who has access to all of the latest studio equipment and programs and there's a good chance I could get him to work on some Stevie stuff for us. Is there copyright issues involved? Do you need permission to make changes to the tracks and make them public?

I read your question wrong, sorry! Things can be done with studio equipment to improve the sound quality of some demos, yes indeed. I've heard some studio-improved versions of "Beautiful Ghost" and "Thousand Days" that are huge improvements. Other attempts, like "What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done For You?" do not sound much better to my old ears.

But it is possible and definitely worth trying if your friend has access!!! Go for it!!

SapphireSister · #29 03-14-2010, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikebise

I read your question wrong, sorry! Things can be done with studio equipment to improve the sound quality of some demos, yes indeed. I've heard some studio-improved versions of "Beautiful Ghost" and "Thousand Days" that are huge improvements. Other attempts, like "What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done For You?" do not sound much better to my old ears.

But it is possible and definitely worth trying if your friend has access!!! Go for it!!

I will ask this week. What would be a good one to start with? Something that we love that's really distored you think could be improved?

StreetAngel95 · #30 03-14-2010, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

I will ask this week. What would be a good one to start with? Something that we love that's really distorted you think could be improved?

well, it's not distorted, but demo version of "Running Through The Garden" that i have is incredibly soft at the beginning...if you have that version, you might want to fix it...idk

also, there are a lot of demos that have a bit of hissing in them...maybe those? just some thoughts...