Did anyone else notice!!!!!

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by carrie721

obviously i don't know the people in stevie's posse. my response was predicated on holidayroad's (and others') assertion that her fans are more loyal than the people in her real life.

but you have a beef with me, so rather than responding to the crux of my post (that you can't compare fans with her actual friends), you've taken one point out of context in an attempt to discredit me. good job!

I knew you'd try to weasel your way out of this. You stated that Stevie has people she surrounds herself with that are sick of her behaviors. I'm simply asking you to name the people you are talking about?

[jaycee]

Originally Posted by carrie721

that's an interesting comment.

fans exist in a sphere far removed from the nitty gritty human version of stevie, especially since stevie came of age as a celebrity in a time when there was no TMZ, 24-hour news, or paparazzi. stevie was allowed the luxury of cultivating her public image on her own terms, and has managed to maintain an air of sophistication and wholesomeness despite spending almost a third of her life as a drug addict.

i'm not interested in indicting stevie as a bad person, but to imply that fans have been more loyal than people who knew/know her in real life is a false and unfair analogy. as a fan, you get what stevie gives you and only what she gives you. and compared to other artists, it's really not much. this allows fans to create a fiction about stevie's real life in order to connect the dots in the stevie nicks scavenger game.

the people she surrounds herself with are people whose responsibility it is to essentially keep her segregated from reality. this is a woman who hasn't driven in over 30 years and probably couldn't tell you the price of a gallon of milk. this is a woman who thought her hair turned grey not because she was in her 40's but because she was going through klonopin withdrawal. this is a woman who gave prescription meds to her underling to see what kind of effect it had. if you've ever had a delusional person in your life, you know how difficult it is to sustain their fantasies and act as a buffer between them and the real world. you also know how quickly you can be tossed out of their favor if you disagree with them or offer them a view of reality or themselves that they dislike. this is the situation the people in stevie's real circle are in. and frankly, i don't blame some of them for getting sick of it.

I continue to be amazed at your capacity for consistently insightful observations! Then again, given that there are a large number of Ledgies, there ultimately has to be at least one person smart like you!
Anyway, very well written!

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I knew you'd try to weasel your way out of this. You stated that Stevie has people she surrounds herself with that are sick of her behaviors. I'm simply asking you to name the people you are talking about?

weasel my way out of this? dude, please.

i've already said i don't know the people in her posse. what i do know is that based on things that she has said and done, she is completely removed from reality. in order to maintain that, she has to be surrounded by people who are willing to shield her from it. this is an exhausting task.

and so is talking to you, frankly. you've made it clear that you dislike me. i don't like you, either, but i no longer respond to your posts because you never say anything that interests me. your posts to me in this thread are clearly an attempt to incite me so you can once again play the victim and complain about how mean i am.

if you think the overall point of my original post is wrong, you haven't said so. you haven't challenged my underlying message which leads me to believe you are nitpicking in order to a) undermine my post without having to use any intellectual elbow grease and b) get me to snap at you.

for the record, you've accomplished neither.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by jaycee

I continue to be amazed at your capacity for consistently insightful observations! Then again, given that there are a large number of Ledgies, there ultimately has to be at least one person smart like you!
Anyway, very well written!

thanks. believe it or not, i used to be a dyed-in-the-wool chiffonhead. and i still listen to her, i just don't let her blind me with her magick~ anymore.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by carrie721

weasel my way out of this? dude, please.

i've already said i don't know the people in her posse. what i do know is that based on things that she has said and done, she is completely removed from reality. in order to maintain that, she has to be surrounded by people who are willing to shield her from it. this is an exhausting task.

and so is talking to you, frankly. you've made it clear that you dislike me. i don't like you, either, but i no longer respond to your posts because you never say anything that interests me. your posts to me in this thread are clearly an attempt to incite me so you can once again play the victim and complain about how mean i am.

if you think the overall point of my original post is wrong, you haven't said so. you haven't challenged my underlying message which leads me to believe you are nitpicking in order to a) undermine my post without having to use any intellectual elbow grease and b) get me to snap at you.

for the record, you've accomplished neither.

The rest of your original post made perfect sense to me. I'm simply asking you to clarify what you stated as fact. Not because I have beef with you. Not because of any ulterior motive. If any other Ledgie claimed what you wrote I'd ask them the same thing.
In general you are a mean person. You've said so yourself in the chit chat forum.

As for having beef with you, whenever we go to McDonald's together, you always order the Big Mac and I always order the filet of fish.
So stop whining about troubles between us and just answer the original statement you made, that's all.

You said, and I quote you, "the people she surrounds herself with are people whose responsibility it is to essentially keep her segregated from reality. this is the situation the people in stevie's real circle are in. and frankly, i don't blame some of them for getting sick of it."

So again I ask you to name these people? And again I remind you that I agreed with the rest of what you stated.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by vivfox

So again I ask you to name these people? And again I remind you that I agreed with the rest of what you stated.

for the third time, i can't name names. how could i?

that doesn't alter or compromise my point.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by vivfox

So again I ask you to name these people? And again I remind you that I agreed with the rest of what you stated.

I am not Carrie , but here you go, Viv:

Glen Parrish.

Point. Set. Match.

STFU.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by sparky

I am not Carrie , but here you go, Viv:

Glen Parrish.

Point. Set. Match.

STFU.

I highly doubt it.

[holidayroad]

Originally Posted by OldTimer

I think holidayroad's comment was meant in a light-hearted joking manner, not as a serious demand. Hence beginning it with "LOL".

Thanks! And yes, I meant it as a joking comment, but what carrie721 said was fine. There are a lot of fans that think Stevie 'owes' them and that's exactly what I was trying to make light of. To be accurate though, I doubt that many of the newer artists she pairs up with (Taylor for one) really 'know' Stevie either.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by sparky

I am not Carrie , but here you go, Viv:

Glen Parrish.

Point. Set. Match.

STFU.

oh hell no.

this sh*t just got real up in here.

[LikeAWillow]

Originally Posted by vivfox

So again I ask you to name these people?

She's sixty and alone Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Don Henley, Joe Walsh, Glen Parrish, Paul Fishkin, Rupert Hine, J.D. Souther, Jerry Brown, Jimmy Iovine, etc.

[LittleCharmer]

Good for Taylor Swift. Someone she greatly admires has recognised and enjoyed her music and has (or so it seems) given her a token to signify their friendship and support. Who wouldn't want that, and be chuffing well pleased about it?

[goldustsongbird]

Originally Posted by LittleCharmer

Good for Taylor Swift. Someone she greatly admires has recognised and enjoyed her music and has (or so it seems) given her a token to signify their friendship and support. Who wouldn't want that, and be chuffing well pleased about it?

I doubt Stevie was a real influence.

[hippilil86]

Originally Posted by carrie721

that's an interesting comment.

fans exist in a sphere far removed from the nitty gritty human version of stevie, especially since stevie came of age as a celebrity in a time when there was no TMZ, 24-hour news, or paparazzi. stevie was allowed the luxury of cultivating her public image on her own terms, and has managed to maintain an air of sophistication and wholesomeness despite spending almost a third of her life as a drug addict.

i'm not interested in indicting stevie as a bad person, but to imply that fans have been more loyal than people who knew/know her in real life is a false and unfair analogy. as a fan, you get what stevie gives you and only what she gives you. and compared to other artists, it's really not much. this allows fans to create a fiction about stevie's real life in order to connect the dots in the stevie nicks scavenger game.

the people she surrounds herself with are people whose responsibility it is to essentially keep her segregated from reality. this is a woman who hasn't driven in over 30 years and probably couldn't tell you the price of a gallon of milk. this is a woman who thought her hair turned grey not because she was in her 40's but because she was going through klonopin withdrawal. this is a woman who gave prescription meds to her underling to see what kind of effect it had. if you've ever had a delusional person in your life, you know how difficult it is to sustain their fantasies and act as a buffer between them and the real world. you also know how quickly you can be tossed out of their favor if you disagree with them or offer them a view of reality or themselves that they dislike. this is the situation the people in stevie's real circle are in. and frankly, i don't blame some of them for getting sick of it.

I can't believe people really think of her as wholesome. You're exactly right, though, you know. She was a drug addict. She was a "homewrecker" , (probably more than one "home", actually) and slept with everyone with dark hair and a guitar. Her life at 60 probably isn't what she thought it would be, and the last few interviews she's given sound pretty damn bitter. Whether she ended it with Lindsey 30 years ago or 10 years ago, she can't let go. She's not particularly a moral compass, but I still love her for it. I mean, really, she's LIVED in the past 40 years. I'm not even the age she was when she joined Fleetwood Mac, which gives me hope that my best years are hopefully ahead of me. Stevie isn't based in reality, but I don't think she ever really was. Was singing with Taylor a good choice? I don't really know...I don't think it was well researched, because if her people had seen a Taylor Swift concert, they would know that Taylor can't carry a tune in a bucket. But, I mean, she sure can sell records. Anyway, this is a long and meaningless post, but I just wanted to say that I agree.

[goldustsongbird]

The part about her being 60 and alone surprises me. Not in a "never saw it coming" way, considering her past, more like... I don't know... It's a little sad. She was the big sex symbol with all of this fame and fortune, but what did it get her?