Suicide is not the answer - Page 2

jannieC · #16 02-20-2009, 08:54 PM

Thank you to everyone for your support and kind words. My original post is kind of poorly worded, but I was really somewhat in shock when I wrote it. I just want my message to make others think.

Yes G, there were lots of warning signs. This child has never really had a chance. Abandoned by both of her parents and raised by the maternal grandparents, she was hospitalized for a failed suicide attempt (pills) last year. She had been on meds, but unfortunately, I believe she had a personality disorder which is not treated with medication. In fact, misdiagnosing and prescribing anti depressants to one with a personality disorder can be dangerous b/c people with this disorder are hopeful about feeling better while on them, then nothing happens.

I am going to take advantage of my agency's EAP and get some free counseling sessions to help with some of the guilt. It's just so awful, such a waste. She was a beautiful girl.

Thanks again for the support and prayers.

Edgeof27 · #17 02-20-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jannieC

Thank you to everyone for your support and kind words.

My original post is kind of poorly worded, but I was really somewhat in shock when I wrote it.

There was nothing wrong with your original posting,

I just want my message to make others think.

Yes G, there were lots of warning signs.

too bad they were missed, but all too often they are,

This child has never really had a chance.

really unfortunate, so sad,

Abandoned by both of her parents and raised by the maternal grandparents,

sometimes grandparents are too old,

she was hospitalized for a failed suicide attempt (pills) last year.

She had been on meds, but unfortunately, I believe she had a personality disorder which is not treated with medication.

meds are the worst option,

I feel that the pharmacutical companies are just performing field studies with the aid of the medical profession,

sorry if I offend anyone in those two industries....

In fact, misdiagnosing and prescribing anti depressants to one with a personality disorder can be dangerous b/c people with this disorder are hopeful about feeling better while on them, then nothing happens.

unfortunately the meds negate any rational thoughts...

I am going to take advantage of my agency's EAP and get some free counseling sessions to help with some of the guilt.

take care of yourself, stay strong,

It's just so awful, such a waste.

She was a beautiful girl.

Thanks again for the support and prayers.

once again, your in my thoughts, stay strong,

g....

Zombie · #18 02-20-2009, 11:00 PM

I'm so sorry, Jannie. You and your family are in my thoughts.

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I also just wanted to say that medication is not always the worst choice - yes, they are often wrongly prescribed and dosages are calculated incorrectly and people are not taken care of, but some people do need medications and are helped by them.

For example, I was put on Effexor XR to "help" with a chronic pain condition I have and it damn near ruined my life...and didn't help with the pain at all, haha. No trade-off. However, a very dear friend of mine takes Effexor XR for an actual chemical imbalance and it has changed her life for the better.

It's different for everyone.

HejiraNYC · #19 02-20-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Edgeof27

meds are the worst option,

I feel that the pharmacutical companies are just performing field studies with the aid of the medical profession,

sorry if I offend anyone in those two industries....
g....

I just think that is just about the most ignorant, unfounded statement I have ever heard. How on earth did you come to this conclusion? No, meds are not the answer to everything. But when used appropriately, they can be tremendously valuable, and are sometimes the difference between life and death.

Edgeof27 · #20 02-21-2009, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I just think that is just about the most ignorant, unfounded statement I have ever heard. How on earth did you come to this conclusion? No, meds are not the answer to everything. But when used appropriately, they can be tremendously valuable, and are sometimes the difference between life and death.

Well,

time, &, time again I have encountered individuals who are/were on the wrong meds,

individuals who had been on a series of different meds to try to "find" the right one,

individuals who ended their lifes while on meds,

individuals at work on long term sickness, who are on meds, who are actually getting worse,

individuals who as children were prescribed the wrong meds, their lives ending in teen suicide,

just seen too many people suffer the adverse effects of these meds,

like I said when I posted originally;

"sorry if I offend anyone........",

g....

jannieC · #21 02-21-2009, 06:46 AM

I'll just chime in and say that as a licensed therapist and mental health professional, I thoroughly believe in psychiatric medication. I can't stress that enough. I was referring to Personality Disorders, as far as meds sometimes making things worse. My niece had Borderline Personality Disorder.

I don't mind this thread changing direction. If it is making people think and talk about the topic, it's cool with me.

And P.S. Her grandparents were not old at all, actually. They did a wonderful job of raising her and giving her everything she needed. But when someone's parents are too f*&cked up to raise their own child, that child has to deal with the consequences of feeling abandoned, etc.

RoseGarden · #22 02-21-2009, 10:56 AM

Jannie, I am soo sorry!

Sometimes meds just can't help the enviornment factor too. Our family experienced the death of my sister which was questionable if it was her or her domestic violence boy friend that ended her early life.

Death of someone young and so unexpected is devestating. I pray for you and your family to have more angels around you to help get you through each day.

If I could give you a long , sincere hug I would.

Truly sorry this happened!

Zombie · #23 02-21-2009, 05:49 PM

Jannie, please forgive me if my comment above about the meds seemed as if it was directed at you - I didn't mean for it to be, but I was not entirely awake when I was typing, and I was so alarmed at the idea being put out by another that meds are the "worst option" that I just went clack-clack-clack at the keyboard.

I know meds can't be used to properly treat a personality disorder, and I am so sorry your neice didn't get the help she needed.

I just find the idea of writing off ALL meds so dangerous.

Please be well.

fleetwoodtrick · #24 02-21-2009, 05:57 PM

Oh my god, I'm so sorry! Suicide is a scary, scary thing, especially around my age. (I am also 15.) Every once in a while, I'll have thoughts of killing myself, then I realize that I am very lucky to have the life that I live. And I agree with Caitlin, suicide isn't going to do me any good. I also think about what it would do to my parents in the rest of my family, then I go and do something more constructive. However, it's very sad that wasn't your niece's case, that she had other problems along with being a moody teenager. Sorry for babbling, I'm not even sure what I'm typing any more. :/

Anyways, you and your family are in my prayers.
~Rhiya

jannieC · #25 02-21-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zombie

Jannie, please forgive me if my comment above about the meds seemed as if it was directed at you - I didn't mean for it to be, but I was not entirely awake when I was typing, and I was so alarmed at the idea being put out by another that meds are the "worst option" that I just went clack-clack-clack at the keyboard.

I know meds can't be used to properly treat a personality disorder, and I am so sorry your neice didn't get the help she needed.

I just find the idea of writing off ALL meds so dangerous.

Please be well.

Oh no, I didn't think you were directing that at me; I was trying to back up what you had said. No worries.

Livia · #26 02-21-2009, 09:20 PM

Oh, Jannie, I am SO sorry. Hugs to you, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

I believe in psychiatric meds as well, when dispensed properly and the patient is properly monitored. However, I don't believe any prescription drugs should be advertised on television.

gldstwmn · #27 02-22-2009, 12:43 PM

Jannie, I am so sorry for your loss. My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family at this most difficult time.

WildHeart69 · #28 02-22-2009, 02:35 PM

Jannie, I am so sorry to have to read this thread... We are all here for you!

Best Wishes,
Mike

WildHeart69 · #29 02-22-2009, 02:51 PM

And I really hate to post this.... because this thread isnt the place for this...but I read someone had said that they have seen "so many people" messed up and/or dead etc because of Rx meds and they are the worst option. I can say with high confidence that I have seen more people saved by meds (Effexor or what have you) than anyone has seen hurt by them.

Just some advice for anyone out there with a problem: Sometimes you need to talk to your doctor if the risks arent outweighing the rewards for YOU. You can get help. And there are a lot of crummy doctors too, for sure, and sometimes your current doctor isn't right for you either. But medecine is all about risks and benefits that need to be weighed out. Get to know your Pharmacist too, if they can't or won't answer your questions then find a good pharmacist you can trust and ask questions to. Don't be afraid to speak up if you just don't feel like your meds aren't benfiting you enough.
Different drugs work differently on different people and even sometimes they aren't the answer, but suicide is NEVER the answer.

Musicman408 · #30 02-22-2009, 10:20 PM

Jannie, I am so so sorry to hear about this. Know that my thoughts and prayers are with all of you all.

You are very right- suicide is never the answer. Life brings challenges and tribulations, but that is the point of life, getting through the stuff that gets thrown at you. I've never even once thought of it for a second.