christine's lyrics

[David]

Originally Posted by snoot

What we sometimes presume we're "seeing" from the perspective of the artist may not be in reality what is being cast or even implied.

This is true most of the time. Wimsatt & Beardsley coined the term "intentional fallacy" to describe the view that the intention of the author is unavailable, as it were, to the viewer or reader -- even when the author himself states his meaning (as Stevie Nicks often does).

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by marinnette

Still for me the saddest video is Seven Wonders...is it me or Lindsey does cry in some of the close up? It's so beautiful, he moves his head as he tries to get ride of the tears and his eyes look so blue...

I do see the moisture that you're talking about, but I don't think he's crying. I have never seen him look as lovely as he does in that video. And the head butt with Mick in the end is so sweet. Sigh.

In addition to the videos, the group did beautiful still photos to promote Tango as well, before he left.

As for interpretations, most of the time it is most helpful to give our own meanings to a piece and try to apply it to our own lives. But with this particular group, I think people like to ferret out interband meanings most. In this case, maybe I'd rather think a song is about John and Mick's love than my own fear of growing old, whereas when it comes to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards it's more useful to divine a more personal message.

Of course, when FM members know hundreds and thousands of individuals, it shows astounding tunnel vision to think that the songs they write are about only the 4 people that we know they know, rather than the many other people in their lives who are strangers to us. But it's a fun activity.

Michele

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Of course, when FM members know hundreds and thousands of individuals, it shows astounding tunnel vision to think that the songs they write are about only the 4 people that we know they know, rather than the many other people in their lives who are strangers to us. But it's a fun activity.

We should have a giant Inter-pra-thon!!

[snoot]

Originally Posted by David

This is true most of the time. Wimsatt & Beardsley coined the term "intentional fallacy" to describe the view that the intention of the author is unavailable, as it were, to the viewer or reader -- even when the author himself states his meaning (as Stevie Nicks often does).

Intentional fallacy >> the intention of the author is unavailable. I like that.

Here's another example. Think back on that great riddle in song that American Pie was. Though we know it largely referenced the death of Buddy Holly and much of the lost innocence of the 50's, who would have guessed this if one only had the refrain to go by as a pointer?

So bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing "This will be the day that I die, this will be the day that I die."

Fortunately the song reveals itself - as best it can - with its verses.

Now to quote the author...

You will find many "interpretations" of my lyrics but none of them by me. Isn't this fun? Sorry to leave you all on your own like this but long ago I realized that songwriters should make their statements and move on, maintaining a dignified silence.

- Don McLean
Castine, Maine

[snoot]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Of course, when FM members know hundreds and thousands of individuals, it shows astounding tunnel vision to think that the songs they write are about only the 4 people that we know they know, rather than the many other people in their lives who are strangers to us. But it's a fun activity.

Me thinks you're onto something here, as tunnel vision often limits the larger picture. And reality. Nobody said fantasies, and self delusion, weren't fun though. lol

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

We should have a giant Inter-pra-thon!!

Marty did used to have those on here, but I never saw you participating.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Marty did used to have those on here, but I never saw you participating.

Michele

hahahahahahaha!!!!!

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Marty did used to have those on here, but I never saw you participating.

It was a case of not jumping in at the beginning, & then feeling too de trop at the thought of cutting in midway through.

(As you may have guessed, it wasn't really my thing.)

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

It was a case of not jumping in at the beginning, & then feeling too de trop at the thought of cutting in midway through.

(As you may have guessed, it wasn't really my thing.)

I would never guess anything about "The" David....

[David]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I would never guess anything about "The" David....

"Nertz" to Mertz!