Sheryl Crow is joining Fleetwood Mac!!! - Page 17

michelej1 · #**241** 03-17-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

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No, DR was the thing where LB says to La Nicks "keep writing songs like that and we'll make this a double album yet," which implies that a double album was obviously discussed, but was NOT a "promise" made to LB in order to get him to record with the band

It doesn't imply that to me. It implies that Lindsey was scrambling to make Stevie return to the double album concept that she, Mick and her two managers were abandoning, as they all discussed in the documentary.

Lindsey perceives it as a promise having been made to him. Maybe not by Stevie, but certainly by Mick.

I listened to Destiny Rules again this morning. In it, Mick confirms that he endorsed a double album "way back with Lindsey" and Mick realizes that Lindsey now blames him for changing his mind, but Mick doesn't see it as betrayal.

In his car in Destiny Rules Lindsey says that he wouldn't even have joined in on the SYW project, at least not with that group of songs, if Mick hadn't agreed on a double album with him and now Mick has done a "180" and Lindsey can't understand why Mick doesn't see his flip flop as "hurtful" or even "profound."

But I was not arguing that FM owed Lindsey a double album anyway. In order to prove that Lindsey issues ultimatums, you said that Lindsey threatened to take his masters back and I said that he made that threat because Mick reneged on the double album. In his car, Lindsey said he would not have agreed to the album at all (or at least not with that group of songs) if he knew it wasn't going to be a double.

He didn't think that the band could make as much of a statement with 12 songs as it could with 20 and, given the nature of his songs, he thought they needed to release a lot of them -- which is why, faced with the prospect of a single album, he didn't know if he still wanted his songs to be released at all. So, he didn't issue an ultimatum, but he did say that he did own the master to his songs, threatening to take them back. As it turned out, he didn't. Michele

Betsy · #**242** 03-17-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

He didn't think that the band could make as much of a statement with 12 songs as it could with 20 and, given the nature of his songs, he thought they needed to release a lot of them -- which is why, faced with the prospect of a single album, he didn't know if he still wanted his songs to be released at all. So, he didn't issue an ultimatum, but he did say that he did own the master to his songs, threatening to take them back. As it turned out, he didn't.

I saw this as a way of putting Mick in his place. Mick doesn't write songs, and if there is an Achilles heel, that's it.

The talking-behind-the-back of Mick and Ray Lindsey was petty...and Ray's laughing at Lindsey when Mick quotes Lindsey's view about the music how some obscure artist was content to make the statement and not get rich was petty... (Lindsey, would YOU like to live in a 3 room apartment?) The DR documentary showed that FM is a big Chessboard and each piece has its own calculated move.

I am glad that SYW had all 18 songs because it gave us a buffet, instead of a predetermined menu of only one dish.

I don't know if the band pulls in the reins on Lindsey, but I do know that I like his solo albums better than FM albums. He is more of a risk taker and doesn't go for the commercial sound. The song COME is so haunting (as are its lyrics) and I was suprised FM did it on stage...

With Record Companies, LB has to use FM to get his songs out there. He said in the Charlie Rose Interview that with his solo work he doesn't sell as many units as FM does....so much of his solo (GOS album) became SYW.

Sometimes I wish he'd post new songs on his website and do a "pay-for-download" thing ....

shackin'up · #**243** 03-17-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

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No, DR was the thing where LB says to La Nicks "keep writing songs like that and we'll make this a double album yet," which implies that a double album was obviously discussed, but was NOT a "promise" made to LB in order to get him to record with the band

True and untrue. Ofcourse there could NEVER have been hard promises between two members: that band has more people in it. But LB said clearly that Mick did a 180 as the process developped. And Mick underlines that not much further in DR. And I don't know the quote anymore, but Lindsey and Mick's initial shared enthousiasm for a double-album made LB eager to do the project. Let's face it: he had a truckload of songs ready for years that he wanted to bring out: For a big part WITH The FM-tandem on them. OFCOURSE they were going for a double-album initially.

...until Miss Commercial Visionary flew in to drop a four song tape with two good ones and two crappy, and later came back to do some vocals.

Gypsy4Doves · #**244** 03-17-2008, 05:46 PM

VIA "http://www.stevie-nicks.info/"

By Steve Baltin
Spinner (New York)
March 13, 2008

Move over Stevie: Sheryl Crow is planning to join Fleetwood Mac.

"We definitely have plans for collaborating in the future, and we’ll see what happens," Crow tells Spinner. As to when fans might hear those collaborations, she says, "I think that’s going to be next year."

And what songs would she ideally like to perform onstage with Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham? "I’d love to do ’The Chain’ and ’Second Hand News,’" she says. "There’s so many great songs that I absolutely love, and just to get to sing harmonies on them is going to be a thrill."

For Crow, who is just beginning to tour in support of her recently released ’Detours’ album, the opportunity to join the legendary group (and fill the shoes of Christine McVie, who retired from touring in 1998), is a chance to work with her close friend Nicks. Perhaps more important, it will help keep the band alive, as Nicks had previously gone on record as saying she was unwilling to carry on Fleetwood Mac without McVie, who had been one of the constants of the often-evolving group since she joined in the early ’70s...

How long will the tour sets last once she in 2 Hours ?
http://www.myspace.com/thegypsydove

chiliD · #**245** 03-17-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy4Doves

"I’d love to do ’The Chain’ and ’Second Hand News,’"

That's a pretty safe response, there, Sheryl...why dontcha go out on a limb.

trackaghost · #**246** 03-17-2008, 06:06 PM

I'll only accept Sheryl if she dresses in 80s era Christine McVie clothes for each and every show and between songs speaks in an English accent.

Edit: I'll also accept her if she dresses as 60s-era Peter Green. And speaks in an English accent.

chiliD · #**247** 03-17-2008, 06:37 PM

I'll only accept her if she amputates both legs at the knees plays slide guitar and sings Elvis tunes and Elmore James covers.

Pffffft!!

Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face.

sywlindseyfan · #**248** 03-17-2008, 06:47 PM

I am really upset that sheryl MIGHT join Fleetwood Mac....It just doesn't fit...but i am even more upset that the one interview with "Spinner" stated that she would "fill" the shoes of Christine McVie...I hope and I know all you guys, my fleetwood mac brothers and sisters know that no one ever could evevevevevever fill in or replace Chris. thank you for listeningt o my ranting and raving!! please message me your thoughts, I am very upset.

SteveMacD · #**249** 03-17-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gretchen

OMG, please NO!!!! The entire dynamic of Fleetwood Mac would be ruined IMO. I'm not a fan of Crow and it would just taint the whole beauty of the Mac.

That already happened when Christine RETIRED.

SteveMacD · #**250** 03-17-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sywlindseyfan

It just doesn't fit...

Well, we know Christine is done. My attitude is that there aren't too many other women out there today making credible pop music that actually gets played on the radio. Sheryl is one of them.

Like Christine, I don't see Sheryl as being the type who would need another woman to go on tour. I could easily see her just being one of the guys.

If nothing else, Sheryl has worked with Eric Clapton, which makes her even more appropriate for Fleetwood Mac. (Hey, I coulda said she had sex with an ex-Bluesbreaker, but I was trying to be civilized.) She has worked with the likes of Clapton, Dylan, Emmylou Harris, Henley, and FLEETWOOD MAC. I respect that, even though her break-out was in 1994, she chooses to associate with THAT generation of rock. Yeah, I'll still miss Christine, but that ship has sailed. It's time to move on, don't you know.

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but i am even more upset that the one interview with "Spinner" stated that she would "fill" the shoes of Christine McVie...I hope and I know all you guys, my fleetwood mac brothers and sisters know that no one ever could evevevevevever fill in or replace Chris.

No, but then the band shouldn't have to fade away too if they don't want to. Having another woman in the band is important, for whatever reason, to Stevie.

To the people who aren't happy with this (not including the Christine die-hards), by chance do you skip over the Christine songs anyway? The reason I ask is it seems a lot of people are interjecting qualities they like about Lindsey or Stevie into who they would choose for the third vocalist. Really, in my mind, there's only one other lady in rock that remotely reminds me of Christine, and that's Carole King. I don't see her joinging the band anytime soon, either. (Though, the thought of Mick and John grooving on "I Feel The Earth Move" is tempting...) In any event, get Return Of The Grievous Angel: Tribute To Gram Parsons. If her duet with Emmylou Harris of "Juanita" doesn't give you gooseflesh, then you have no soul.

SteveMacD · #**251** 03-17-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

I'll only accept her if she amputates both legs at the knees plays slide guitar and sings Elvis tunes and Elmore James covers.

Pffffft!!

Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face.

You know, I was about to revoke your membership in the male gender. Anybody who could trim down legs like that needs his eyes examined.

michelej1 · #**252** 03-17-2008, 08:20 PM

Yes, Spinner described it in a way that was sure to get fans' back up, by saying Sheryl would replace Chris and saying that she'd breathe new life into the band, as if she is some kind of savior.

I'm sure when Sheryl makes a follow up statement, she will negate that viewpoint and say she is not replacing anyone and not saving the band.

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Originally Posted by Betsy

The talking-behind-the-back of Mick and Ray Lindsey was petty...and Ray's laughing at Lindsey when Mick quotes Lindsey's view about the music how some obscure artist was content to make the statement and not get rich was petty...

But it made me laugh and it reminded me strongly of that Tusk footage when Lindsey storms out and says he wants french food, not a cheese omelet (one of my favorite band moments). What I like about that is how the band works. Christine doesn't want Lindsey to go, but she doesn't say that directly to him. She kind of grabs him and runs her fingers through his hair and tries to stop him that way. Instead of asking Lindsey why he is leaving, she addresses her question to Mick and wonders why Lindsey gets to go if they all have to stay. Mick doesn't say anything to Lindsey, but when Lindsey is out of the room, he mimics him, whining, "I don't want a cheese omelet. I want french food."

I thought it showed how the band members seem to be scared really to confront each other, so they are roundabout. It was true during that Tusk footage and could also be glimpsed in DR.

Michele

michelej1 · #**253** 03-17-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

You know, I was about to revoke your membership in the male gender. Anybody who could trim down legs like that needs his eyes examined.

That's one thing: even if Sheryl doesn't join the band and just does some new songs with them, the fans are going to benefit because she is sexy and I think that's going to come through in the band photos and (hopefully) video. I think the record company will give FM better marketing with Sheryl there and we'll get a concept video, which I would like to have one more time, before they enter the old folks' home.

Michele

SteveMacD · #**254** 03-17-2008, 08:46 PM

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