Will Ferrell and Dave Grohl doing Leather & Lace

[skcin]

Originally Posted by darla

I totally agree. I think he is un funny, stinks, I cannot stand his movies,
I also saw Rosie and he couldn't care less that Stevie was on.
I don't think that segment was funny. I think he is ugly. Cannot act.
Sorry just my thoughts. I never did like the man......

Jeez, lady, what did he ever do to you?

Seriously, though, he stinks and is ugly? Wow. Just wow.

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Why should he care? Everyone's reactions are cracking me up. So funny. I love this thread.

Dude, I know! I don't understand why people are all upset over something that didn't happen on a show from 7 years ago. You guys HATE him because he didn't bow to our girl? Because he didn't say anything about her performance or interview? It's not like she went to shake his hand & he spit in her face, for God's sake.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

David wrote: "Ferrell is a creep"--
re: when Stevie was on 'Rosie' and gave a very good performance and interview, and i totally agree with David!
Rosie appeared to have invested a lot of thought and positive energy into interviewing Stevie, and was very pleased to have had Stevie as a guest. When Ferrell came on after Stevie's segments, Rosie was still exhilerated by how well Stevie's segments went, and tried to get Ferrell to comment, and as David pointed out, Ferrell was a creep, and it was on more than one level- first, he would not extend any professional courtesy to Stevie, acting superior and smug (he just looked bemused and said 'crazy' in a most condescending way when Rosie prompted him to comment favorably about Stevie's performance on the show)- and he also was a creep to act sour to Rosie, who clearly felt she and her show had something to be pleased about by Stevie's apperance on it, and he just totally acted like a dick. Scant minutes earlier, Stevie had just been on the same stage, in the same chair he was now sitting in, and he couldn't find even one good word to say, which 'professional courtesy' would dictate he indeed find, even if it were insincere. A 'professional'-- even if he intensely disliked the other performer, would not clearly indicate his indifference, out of respect to the host (Rosie) and a performer (Stevie) who far outweighed his status in the entertainment industry- it was just really, really bad form.
Now, he's making fun of her songwriting and former drug problem, while classlessly digging up the cocaine 'rumour' that Stevie has said she finds hurtful and offensive. Saying he's a cad and a misogynist seems accurate to me, but in plainer terms, the guy just sucks.

Oh yes. Anyone who doesn't kiss the ground Stevie Nicks walks on or jerks off to to anything she ever touched, is a misogynist creep.

Creep, ya hear?

Creep, creep, creep!

CREEP!

[David]

No, now you guys misunderstood my point. You didn't attend carefully to my words. You didn't heed their self-evident message.

[petep9000]

Originally Posted by mikeschmike

Do a search on youtube for Stevie Nicks fajita round-up. You're bound to find something...

I havent' seen that clip for a long time now. It seems like alot of SNL stuff has disappeared. Not saying all, but alot of things I used to find are gone. Perhaps NBC has sniffers out, and are forcing people to pull any SNL clips off youtube. Maybe it's out there again, it wasn't when I checked about 3 weeks ago when I was referencing it in my 'Round Wooden vs. Plastic Half-Moon tamborine' discussion.

[petep9000]

Whoops, here it is. There is no trace of it whatsoever on Youtube. Used to be dozens of copies of it on that site, which makes me believe all the more that NBC is making serious noise or threats to anyone hosting this clip. Search under 'fajita', 'lucy lawless fajita', 'stevie nicks fajita', nada.

But, if you Google, it does turn up. Mostly dead links to youtube where you get the "Sorry this clip is no longer available" message. But, here someone has it tucked away on their myspace site. For now.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoID=540803986

[michaelD]

Originally Posted by petep9000

Whoops, here it is. There is no trace of it whatsoever on Youtube. Used to be dozens of copies of it on that site, which makes me believe all the more that NBC is making serious noise or threats to anyone hosting this clip. Search under 'fajita', 'lucy lawless fajita', 'stevie nicks fajita', nada.

But, if you Google, it does turn up. Mostly dead links to youtube where you get the "Sorry this clip is no longer available" message. But, here someone has it tucked away on their myspace site. For now.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoID=540803986

THANKS SO MUCH!!! That is so funny!!!

[UndoingTheLaces]

Maybe I do need to lighten up and I guess the humor isn't so much in two men singing to each other but in the fact that two known straight guys were singing it to each other. I still didn't think it was funny.

And I'm afraid I don't agree with the idea that if you are a celebrity then everything you have done or have been rumored to have done is okay for anyone to make fun of. I love the Stevie parodies as much as other kinds of parodies, off color humor and things like that, but making fun of something that has to be a source of great shame for someone is pretty low. I mean, true or not, that fact that the story is still around is really sad. I'm sure she wishes people would just let it go. I hope someone drudges up something really painful from Ferrel's past and brings it out into the open for everyone to laugh at someday. Just so he can see how it feels.

As for Dave Grohl, I've actually met him before and he's a really nice guy. But Will Ferrel can still bite me.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

. . . I hope someone drudges up something really painful from Ferrel's past and brings it out into the open for everyone to laugh at someday. Just so he can see how it feels . . . .

I think the main difference is that, to my knowledge, WF does not discuss his addictions in just about every interview he has given since 1997, much less calling himself an example for the younger kids to learn from. So, I think that La Nicks has put it out there for so long and, at times, joked about it herself ("packed up my tranquilers and headed to DC") - makes others feel free to joke about it too. Just my opinion though and I think other people see this sort of like black people are the only ones who can say the N word in jest because they are black - all others are jerks for doing the same

[petep9000]

I remember a time though, that Stevie wasn't really talking much about it. And when she did, it was very vague and it seemed like she was 'talking around' the subject rather than address it head-on. This was the period immediatly following the Betty Ford coke visit. I've actually heard there was more than one coke/booze-based treatment visit which is not an 'official' part of the Stevie mythos. I think the coke/booze addiction wasn't a huge part of her lexicon because she was being 'told' by everyone how bad it was and how bad she was etc, and how lovely that she was 'just saying no' to drugs and alchohol. To her it seemed just like a normal rock stars' life and she had some great creative times. And lots of fun. The Klonopin period is the one she really harps on about in interviews though. Probably because she has someone to 'blame' for it; her physicans who wrote never-ending scripts for a powerful benzodiazopene to someone with known addictive issues, her 'people' who forced her to go into psychiatrist care following the coke/booze period, the drug companies who have a dangerous product on the market, etc. No responsibilty on her part.

I dunno, I always read the package inserts of whatever pills my MD prescribes for me. "Gee, says here take one as needed for anxiety, not to exceed blah blah etc". Couldn't Glenn or Rebecca, or Barbara Nicks, or Lori etc read it for her if she was too much of a diva to read it herself?

I know everyone is going to sling arrows at me for this post. But the whole Klonopin addiction to me was ridiculous and should never have gone down the way it did.

[strandinthewind]

I think she places the blame on the coke on the times. She often says nobody told them it was bad, etc.

I knew at age 15 from experience that drinking all night made you feel like crap the next day and that meant it could not possibly be good for you no matter how much fun it was to get snot slinging, knee walking, toilet hugging, hellraising drunk with your pals the night before Ditto for the drugs in college. Plus, I was alive in the 70's and I remember the ads were on TV and elsewhere that drugs were bad for you. Though the Betty Ford Clinics of the world were really not around then, many other hospitals for addiction existed and had existed for years. So, when people say they did not know it was bad for them, I call BS.

As for the Klonopin, I think she was somewhat hoodwinked with that. It takes a strong person to stand up to a doctor; they are supposed to be the experts. As for her friends, they may not have known that she was addicted until 1989 or so - she was clearly out of her mind when I saw her then in Dallas. But, at the Dallas BTM show, she was lucid. So, I wonder how evident it was and when she started to combine the Klonopin with the Valium, etc.

In terms of her career tanking and that being a catalyst for the altered mental state, the platinum OOTM with its top 20 single, was not a flop by any means, though it was not the seller that her former solo records were. And, BTM was a hit as well, though it was not a seller like the prior FM records. So, I she was beginning to realize her career was tanking and was looking for escapism.

On edit - I make no comment on the fact that she was addicted, which is a disease. I comment only on her statements that nobody ever said the coke was bad for them. I mean if it was so harmless, why was it illegal? Surely, that conversation came up once or twice along with the nosebleeds

[petep9000]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think she places the blame on the coke on the times. She often says nobody told them it was bad, etc.

Agreed. I've heard her say this too. "No one ever told us this was bad for us".

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

As for the Klonopin, I think she was somewhat hoodwinked with that. It takes a strong person to stand up to a doctor; they are supposed to be the experts.

A reputable physican, true to his Oath, wouldn't hoodwink a patient. I tend to believe Stevie's physician was an LA-based 'Dr. Feelgood' that would liberally write prescriptions out regardless of patient outcome. We even have them here in NYC. It's a cash-only business. And they do get busted.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

As for her friends, they may not have known that she was addicted until 1989 or so - she was clearly out of her mind when I saw her then in Dallas. But, at the Dallas BTM show, she was lucid. So, I wonder how evident it was and when she started to combine the Klonopin with the Valium, etc.

I can't really say I found her to be entirely more lucid at the BTM shows I caught. Maybe a little, but I think Stevie is also heavily influenced by who surrounds her on stage. She might have reduced her pill intake in order to keep up with Christine, Mick, Rick and Billy etc. But it wasn't a 'Mirage' -era performance by any means. Or a RAL-era performance, for that matter.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

In terms of her career tanking and that being a catalyst for the altered mental state, the platinum OOTM with its top 20 single, was not a flop by any means, though it was not the seller that her former solo records were. And, BTM was a hit as well, though it was not a seller like the prior FM records. So, I she was beginning to realize her career was tanking and was looking for escapism.

True. Even Paul Fishkin said that each subsequent release after a certain period sold less and less. If we graphed it, not sure when we'd see the downward turn, but I'd say probably all releases after TWH.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I comment only on her statements that nobody ever said the coke was bad for them. I mean if it was so harmless, why was it illegal? Surely, that conversation came up once or twice along with the nosebleeds

Right. Someone has to tell you that a powdered substance that costs thousands of dollars and is bought covertly from shady folks, sniffed into your nose and makes you go ZING!!!! is probably bad for you? Again, it's a blame game.

[strandinthewind]

[QUOTE=petep9000;743166] . . . But it wasn't a 'Mirage' -era performance by any means. Or a RAL-era performance, for that matter.

Originally Posted by petep9000

True. Even Paul Fishkin said that each subsequent release after a certain period sold less and less. If we graphed it, not sure when we'd see the downward turn, but I'd say probably all releases after TWH . . . .

Her solo stuff declined by half each time -but, TITN reinvigorated her career as it sold millions of records and had four or five hit singles here and abroad. So, I think she had no reason to think OOTM was not going to sell and sell well. Then, ROF was a hit pretty much overnight and the album went to #10 (RAL only hit 12). Then, she toured here and in Europe and the most was for the most part successful. Again, nothing like the early 80's, but successful nonetheless.

So, I think she knew she was less popular than before, but clearly she was justified in thinking she was still fairly popular, esp. when FMGH went on to sell so well. I think the slap of reality hit her when she went to record the songs for Timespace and her record company (in a very changed industry by then) tried to manhandle her.

No one likes to see their life's passion crumbling before them and into the hands of some suit who knows nothing about you.

This link is pretty cool on this subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Nicks#Solo_career

[petep9000]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

So, I think she knew she was less popular than before, but clearly she was justified in thinking she was still fairly popular, esp. when FMGH went on to sell so well. I think the slap of reality hit her when she went to record the songs for Timespace and her record company (in a very changed industry by then) tried to manhandle her.

I think the buses for the SA tour might have been a slap of reality too. I doubt she woke up one morning and said "ya know what? Instead of flying to my gigs, first or business class, and limos, we'll take buses. It'll be fun!"

She was a trooper though. In interviews during the time, she said she was enjoying the bus tour. Maybe, the sunny attitude was just to cover the pain..

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by petep9000

. . . She was a trooper though. In interviews during the time, she said she was enjoying the bus tour. Maybe, the sunny attitude was just to cover the pain..

There is one (print I think) where she talks about a belt breaking on the bus while in a remote area in, I think, Denver. They used, I think, a bra to get the bus back up and going. I would have LOVED to have been there for that

[rhiannonrising]

Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

I hope I live to see the day when two men singing a love song to each other is not seen as funny.

And I also hope I live to see the day when Will Farrel dong anything isn't seen as funny.


I also hope to God Stevie doesn't watch YouTube. I have a great sense of humor but there are just some things that shouldn't be joked about.

I think Stevie might be able to laugh at the coke up the butt thing. Shes probably developed a pretty thick skin by now. But yeah, Will Ferrel is not funny. Ok, its kinda funny when he swears, but I just dont understand his appeal.