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michelej1 · #**106** 10-16-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

what??? that's ridic. you can't talk about one song without bringing up another?

Yes, I can depending on what part of the song you're discussing. If you're discussing the guitar riff in GYOW that doesn't remind me of any Stevie songs at all, but Vanessa discussing the intimacy in SUD certainly does remind me of Stevie's songs.

I think SUD, Thown Down, Love Is, Fall From Grace and Castaway Dreams are all about the same subject matter and if I was going to discuss the message or meaning of them, let alone the intimacy, yes, one is going to make me reference another.

Michele

TrueFaith77 · #**107** 10-16-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

I'm sorry, but I cannot consider most of Stevie and Lindsey's songs from TISL, UTS, or SYW in isolation from one another. I think a lot of them are the same song, no matter which one wrote it.

Michele

Fascinating... I would love it if you or others could expand on this!

carrie721 · #**108** 10-16-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

Yes, I can depending on what part of the song you're discussing. If you're discussing the guitar riff in GYOW that doesn't remind me of any Stevie songs at all, but Vanessa discussing the intimacy in SUD certainly does remind me of Stevie's songs.

I think SUD, Thown Down, Love Is, Fall From Grace and Castaway Dreams are all about the same subject matter and if I was going to discuss the message or meaning of them, let alone the intimacy, yes, one is going to make me reference another.

Michele

michelej1 · #**109** 10-16-2007, 04:37 PM

I think Lindsey's take on the response SUD gets in concert is interesting. He said that while the song is about a relationship, when people see him performing it, they link it to him as a performer and they cheer because he is declaring that he is staying around as an artist as long as he can. So, I think he particularly likes it as a closer for that reason. It's like a career affirmation.

Michele

shackin'up · #**110** 10-16-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

I think Lindsey's take on the response SUD gets in concert is interesting. He said that while the song is about a relationship, when people see him performing it, they link it to him as a performer and they cheer because he is declaring that he is staying around as an artist as long as he can. So, I think he particularly likes it as a closer for that reason. It's like a career affirmation.

Michele

exactly. and that's why it's not the same as the original. it NEEDS to be done fullblast vocal live, BECAUSE it gets new meaning. But it doesn't make it any better than the studioversion, which is so delicate and vulnerable it makes your skin fall off. I understand people who hate his vocal on it. It's embarrasing. But exactly that makes it the most honest song I've ever heard. Since that moviesoundtrack, I walk around skinless.

michelej1 · #**111** 10-16-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

exactly. and that's why it's not the same as the original. it NEEDS to be done fullblast vocal live, BECAUSE it gets new meaning. But it doesn't make it any better than the studioversion, which is so delicate and vulnerable it makes your skin fall off. I understand people who hate his vocal on it. It's embarrasing. But exactly that makes it the most honest song I've ever heard.

I would agree with you, except that I don't find the SUD vocals very honest on the record. I think they're contrived. If that was Lindsey's true, broken voice, then I would agree with you. You know like when he is offkey or raspy in concert, because he's given the show his all and stripped his throat, I don't care what he sounds like then. It doesn't detract from the performance. But on the studio version of SUD, the sound is affected, created rather than organic. So, that keeps me from thinking, "Oh, it's just so honest."

I don't hate the song or anything. Living with it for awhile prepared me for UTS and so I didn't see a thing odd about the UTS vocals at all. It was like SUD had been my innoculation and I had all necessary immunities by the time I heard the album. The vocals on UTS sounded normal by that time. It's like he says in Steve's Riff: He wore me down.

Michele

Peestie · #**112** 10-17-2007, 06:34 AM

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Gazza · #**113** 10-17-2007, 06:46 AM

No seeds unfortunately. At the moment.

shackin'up · #**114** 10-17-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

If that was Lindsey's true, broken voice, then I would agree with you. You know like when he is offkey or raspy in concert, because he's given the show his all and stripped his throat, I don't care what he sounds like then. It doesn't detract from the performance. But on the studio version of SUD, the sound is affected, created rather than organic. So, that keeps me from thinking, "Oh, it's just so honest."

Now these arguments are the best i've read against his vocals on SUD. I can understand that. It's all about feel: They sound affected and created, yes, but hey! it's Lindsey. Doesn't he do that ALL the time? Isn't that part of his studiomuse? "i'm not necessarily a writer, more a stylist." It works for me.