Please Die Fighting for My Rights - Page 13

The Tower · #**181** 08-13-2007, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

such language!

Well, jeez... ya know.

Some people can be such anuses.

carrie721 · #**182** 08-13-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, jeez... ya know.

Some people can be such anuses.

can you translate that into dyke?

The Tower · #**183** 08-13-2007, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

can you translate that into dyke?

Sure....

"Jeezus... some people think they can totallly make a move on my exes ex, when I was already planning on trying to get her back- even after we had already talked about it. On second thought, I've never dated my exes exes current girlfriend and she looks freeking hot."

carrie721 · #**184** 08-13-2007, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Sure....

"Jeezus... some people think they can totallly make a move on my exes ex, when I was already planning on trying to get her back- even after we had already talked about it. On second thought, I've never dated my exes exes current girlfriend and she looks freeking hot."

gotcha.

bitch.

danax6 · #**185** 08-13-2007, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by takenbythesky

Lux would have raped this thread better than I ever could. So I'll just recommend The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins on her behalf.

Yes. If it wasn't for these freakin' time zone differences I would have brought this up last night already. I have to thank Lux for pointing me in the direction of this book. T'was great.

Oh, and I vote option B.

**mylittledemon** · #**186** 08-13-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

If you think that me stating that you ****ed around with men after you already told half the world is somehow an "insult on a personal level" you are even more ****ed up than I originally thought.

If two guys want to get it on, I am all for it and have no problems whatsoever with it. If you've got internalized homophobic guilt- then deal with it- that ain't my bag.

That happened when I was in college. That 9 years ago for Goddsake. For you to bring it up in the manner you did, say it the way you did, WAS an insult. Don't try to say otherwise, and then say you're "ok with it" to make yourself out to not look like the bad guy. Again, I cant say HOW many friggin times I've said thruout this thread that I am not perfect...nor do I pretend to be.

strandinthewind · #**187** 08-13-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

. . . So, I should be banned for saying...****ing?

Under the current no tolerance rule - yes, you should. See FAQ, which state "Since people of all ages post on the Ledge, we would remind you to avoid sexually explicit posts and the use of profanity."

Most people get around this rule by typing some variation of the profanity, in this case "fukcing" or "fu**ing."

strandinthewind · #**188** 08-13-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

i don't feel the need to explain why i hold my beliefs. i've stated them, i've clarified them, but i don't care to justify them. why do you need to know why?

But, in the course of this conversation, he was not wholly out of line for asking; the question was relevant

strandinthewind · #**189** 08-13-2007, 08:21 AM

I do not think Brandon ever hoped for Liam to be banned, though it may have been implied from his posts. Rather, I think he was warning Liam, who, according to the FAQ, was out of line with his comments.

In the end though, I think it is appalling and hypocritical for people to assume that Brandon is judging them based on his comments, especially when he has repeatedly clarified them. He was speaking from his faith and asking people about their faith. This is legitimate discourse in a thread started about that topic. Yet, like when race is entered into a conversation, when people speak of their belief in God, some people just cannot have a civil discussion and consider anyone who believes in God or some higher form to be a judgmental idiot. To me, that is just as bad as the judmental dicta that comes out of Pat Robertson's mouth. Some people just hate other people being happy in their religion to the point where they feel the need to knock them for believing differently than they do. Such is life.

strandinthewind · #**190** 08-13-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by takenbythesky

. . . The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Xenu, et al demonstrate otherwise . . . .

In all fairness, Brandon clearly referred to Catholicism, Christianity, Hinduism, Wiccan, Judism, etc. To lump Scientology in that to make your point, was unfair and non-responsive in any relevant way. Do you really think Scientology is on the same level as the categories I mentioned?

danax6 · #**191** 08-13-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

In all fairness, Brandon clearly referred to Catholicism, Christianity, Hinduism, Wiccan, Judism, etc. To lump Scientology in that to make your point, was unfair and non-responsive in any relevant way. Do you really think Scientology is on the same level as the categories I mentioned?

It's just another belief, isn't it?

strandinthewind · #**192** 08-13-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by danax6

It's just another belief, isn't it?

Yes, it is. But, there are many lesser denominations that border on illegitimacy. In fact, I would not place Scientology in the genre of religion; remember Scientology was at first secular. But, that is just me. But, my point was that to bring up one or two comaratively very small quasi-religions to negate his rather valid point was a non-sequitor. Brandon was correct about pretty much all religions supporting his point. In fact, even Scientology supports it.

Again, people just hate that other people have religion. And, on some level, I do not balme them because organized religion has oppressed people or made them feel oppressed for centuries.

Interestingly, I would like to know how many people here loathe that religion exists at all? I am not talking about money making organized religion. I am talking about the personal belief in a higher power, etc. How many people automatically smirk and have the unsupressable urge to mock that by calling naive or the believer a "fu*king idiot" while ignoring the repeated clarification by the poster. How is being that judgmental any different than the than judgemental nature assigned, incorrectly IMO, to Brandon?

I think the world would be a better place if people just let other belive in what they want. Sadly, organized religion cannot tolerate this ideal. The men controlling them want, instead, to assert religion as a powerful mans to control society and, ergo, money. But, Brandon repeatedly said he was not soming from that angle, yet no one really believed him and instead some chose seemingly automatically to mock him.

Miss Vicky · #**193** 08-13-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Again, people just hate that other people have religion. And, on some level, I do not balme them because organized religion has oppressed people or made them feel oppressed for centuries.

Are you implying that those who have spoken against Brandon's comments "hate that other people have religion"? Because that's the way this comes across. And that is a very unfair assumption. Speaking only for myself - though I'm quite sure this applies to just about everyone else as well - I have no problem with people of religious faith. If it brings them comfort to know that someone is watching over them, more power to them. My issue comes when said persons of faith make comments that belittle the faith (or non-faith) of others while claiming innocent intentions.

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Originally Posted by danax6

Oh, and I vote option B.

That's 3 for option B.*

*Jesus was a loon.

strandinthewind · #**194** 08-13-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

Are you implying that those who have spoken against Brandon's comments "hate that other people have religion"? Because that's the way this comes across. And that is a very unfair assumption. Speaking only for myself - though I'm quite sure this applies to just about everyone else as well - I have no problem with people of religious faith. If it brings them comfort to know that someone is watching over them, more power to them. My issue comes when said persons of faith make comments that belittle the faith (or non-faith) of others while claiming innocent intentions . . . .

No, I was not implying or saying that. I do think that some in this thread have exhibited that general behaviour though.

As for Brandon's innocent intentions, I think he was saying, and correctly so, that the world's religions provide no basis for not believing in a god of some sort. As I mentioned earlier, that is like asking a Wiccan if they worship Satan. They do not believe in Satan, so the question has no meaning. In the end, Brandon was ineloquent, but I do not think he was being mean. And, he has repeatedly said this when asked to clarify. Whether one believes him is their choice

danax6 · #**195** 08-13-2007, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Yes, it is. But, there are many lesser denominations that border on illegitimacy. In fact, I would not place Scientology in the genre of religion; remember Scientology was at first secular. But, that is just me. But, my point was that to bring up one or two comaratively very small quasi-religions to negate his rather valid point was a non-sequitor. Brandon was correct about pretty much all religions supporting his point. In fact, even Scientology supports it.

Again, people just hate that other people have religion. And, on some level, I do not balme them because organized religion has oppressed people or made them feel oppressed for centuries.

Interestingly, I would like to know how many people here loathe that religion exists at all? I am not talking about money making organized religion. I am talking about the personal belief in a higher power, etc. How many people automatically smirk and have the unsupressable urge to mock that by calling naive or the believer a "fu*king idiot" while ignoring the repeated clarification by the poster. How is being that judgmental any different than the than judgemental nature assigned, incorrectly IMO, to Brandon?

I think the world would be a better place if people just let other belive in what they want. Sadly, organized religion cannot tolerate this ideal. The men controlling them want, instead, to assert religion as a powerful mans to control society and, ergo, money. But, Brandon repeatedly said he was not soming from that angle, yet no one really believed him and instead some chose seemingly automatically to mock him.

There's a difference between stating an opinion or passing judgment, and I think that's where the line becomes blurry for a lot of people. I certainly try to not pass judgment, but that doesn't mean that I don't have certain opinions about matters that aren't close to my own heart. I compare it to sports. I root for a certain team, and I can say all I want about people that support another team, possibly even the competition, but I'd never tell them they should root for my team because otherwise they'd be bad, weird or dumb people. Of course then there are the hooligans, like in religion there are fundementalists, and I don't think anybody is morally required to approach that particular matter with an open mind. But I'm getting off track here...

I am not saying that Brandon was passing judgement, but the fact remains that he failed to answer a lot of my questions all the while going on how I can't see that God is everywhere and asking how my life can possibly have any meaning because of that. I don't see that as being curious about why I believe what I believe and I suspect he really wasn't interested in that either. Whether that be me, Carrie, Sharon, or anyone else that posted in this thread.