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carrie721 · #**136** 08-12-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I actually took them for my girlfriend...Johnny Stew just happened to ask for them nicely so I obliged...I cant stress enough how many times I've mentioned in this thread that I am not perfect. I even apologized.

Keep crucifying me (no pun intended) if thats what allows you to continue to feel any of my beliefs irrational, wrong, or false.

And anyway...i thought you didnt believe in God. I never got a clear cut answer as to "why" some of you live in disbelief.

i never said i didn't believe in god. i don't believe in god as you define him, and i definitely don't believe in the jesus christ dog and pony show. but i'm not a cut-and-dried atheist.

**mylittledemon** · #**137** 08-12-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

i never said i didn't believe in god. i don't believe in god as you define him, and i definitely don't believe in the jesus christ dog and pony show. but i'm not a cut-and-dried atheist.

Seems to me your belief is as vague as your answers.

I'm gonna quote CS Lewis (a much much wiser and more appreciated man than this old demon)...

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronising nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.."

carrie721 · #**138** 08-12-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Seems to me your belief is as vague as your answers.

how have my answers been vague? i have been clear and direct with my responses to you. i have nothing to hide.

you seem to think my last post was vague. let me clarify since you didn't get it the first time around.

i don't believe in god as you define him.

what was unclear about this? christianity (and by extension, you) define god as a sentient entity, and i do not.

i don't believe in the JC dog-and-pony show.

again, i ask: what didn't you understand? billions of people don't believe in christ.

i'm not a cut-and-dried atheist.

you said i didn't believe in god. i corrected you.

did you get that?

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I'm gonna quote CS Lewis (a much much wiser and more appreciated man than this old demon)...

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronising nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.."

wow, i didn't realize that cs lewis was nuts.

**mylittledemon** · #**139** 08-12-2007, 10:24 PM

So you dont even believe Christ existed?

And, yer not an atheist if you believe in any deity.

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Originally Posted by carrie721

how have my answers been vague? i have been clear and direct with my responses to you. i have nothing to hide.

you seem to think my last post was vague. let me clarify since you didn't get it the first time around.

i don't believe in god as you define him.

what was unclear about this? christianity (and by extension, you) define god as a sentient entity, and i do not.

i don't believe in the JC dog-and-pony show.

again, i ask: what didn't you understand? billions of people don't believe in christ.

i'm not a cut-and-dried atheist.

you said i didn't believe in god. i corrected you.

did you get that?

wow, i didn't realize that cs lewis was nuts.

carrie721 · #**140** 08-12-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

So you dont even believe Christ existed?

i'm sure some dude walked out of the desert and claimed to be the son of god.

LiamMcConville · #**141** 08-12-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

So you dont even believe Christ existed?

And, yer not an atheist if you believe in any deity.

DOUBLE POST

LiamMcConville · #**142** 08-12-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

So you dont even believe Christ existed?

And, yer not an atheist if you believe in any deity.

ARE YOU A COMPLETE ****ING IDIOT? We can believe Jesus existed without believing he was the son of god. Can you wrap your naive Christian mind around that?

**mylittledemon** · #**143** 08-12-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

wow, i didn't realize that cs lewis was nuts.

Actually he was quite sharp. He made the perfect argument. So if you can at least acknowledge Christ's existence, then...

A-Jesus was telling falsehoods and knew it, and so he was a liar.
OR
B-Jesus was telling falsehoods, but believed he was telling the truth, and so he was insane.
OR
C-Jesus was telling the truth, and so he was divine.

carrie721 · #**144** 08-12-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

So you dont even believe Christ existed?

And, yer not an atheist if you believe in any deity.

ah, you edited. i said that i'm not an atheist. so i don't know what you're talking about.

Miss Vicky · #**145** 08-12-2007, 10:31 PM

I'll go with option B.

**mylittledemon** · #**146** 08-12-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

ARE YOU A COMPLETE ****ING IDIOT? We can believe Jesus existed without believing he was the son of god. Can you wrap your naive Christian mind around that?

The personal attacks continue. I suggest you edit your post, sir.

carrie721 · #**147** 08-12-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Actually he was quite sharp. He made the perfect argument. So if you can at least acknowledge Christ's existence, then...

A-Jesus was telling falsehoods and knew it, and so he was a liar.
OR
B-Jesus was telling falsehoods, but believed he was telling the truth, and so he was insane.
OR
C-Jesus was telling the truth, and so he was divine.

so you couldn't say that jesus isn't god but made some pretty good points about peace and loving your fellow man?

**mylittledemon** · #**148** 08-12-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

ah, you edited. i said that i'm not an atheist. so i don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry, I mis read..thought you sad you were a 'Cut and dried atheist'...sorry I missed that.

LiamMcConville · #**149** 08-12-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

The personal attacks continue. I suggest you edit your post, sir.

I will most certainly not edit my post.

I'm hoping you can read, and if so, you will see that I'm asking you, are you a complete ****ing idiot?

And from your previous posts, I'd have to say that "naive Christian" is almost perfectly fitting of you.

So...I don't see at all how that would be construed as a personal attack.

**mylittledemon** · #**150** 08-12-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

so you couldn't say that jesus isn't god but made some pretty good points about peace and loving your fellow man?

I think that falls under option "B"