Rosie's ching-chong comments

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by carrie721

you know what they say ... butt sex is wild but it don't cause a child!

oh. My. God. that is all.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by michelle2677

oh. My. God. that is all.

heeheeheehee.

why isn't bop in your sig????????

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by carrie721

heeheeheehee.

why isn't bop in your sig????????

i like how after 5 minutes of us joining a 30 page heated debate we are talking about a$$ sex and i will put him back. Promise this just has special meaning for the time being. I'm a poet and didn't know it the poet in your heart, baby

[strandinthewind]

Lord Child - the lunatics have taken over the asylum

[irishgrl]

its funner that way carry on my wayward sons!

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Lord Child - the lunatics have taken over the asylum

It's time for that to happen to this thread.

[mikeschmike]

Originally Posted by carrie721

you know what they say ... butt sex is wild but it don't cause a child!

that should be a bumper sticker.


















on my car.

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by mikeschmike

that should be a bumper sticker.


















on my car.

*putting mike's christmas present in the mail*

[irishgrl]

and you havent fixed your siggy yet missy!

[elie]

May I add - as a reply to the initial post- that I find the Chinese request for apology somewhat too far-fetched. I don't know who Rosie is, but it was obviously a -pretty lame- joke. It seems to me that people tend to find any excuse to feel offended for the sake of political correctness and it is really annoying.
On another note, I find it somehow "naive" and humorless to be offended by jokes based on stereotypes or making fun of people's accent and such (I don't say those jokes are clever, but you have to be even less clever to take offense). Greek people are usually portrayed in horrific ways in all sorts of american or northern european films (usually they are sly, a bit dirty, with silly moustaches that nobody has nowadays after all, and they talk funny). I never heard of any greeks taking action publicly and making fuss because of that! Let alone demanding a public apology!!

Finally, just a small note to say that I agree with Strand on the discrimination thing against whites. There are not many black people where I live, but I am very familiar with reverse-discrimination.

And p.s. Mary, the word racism might derive from the word "race", however it is used in reference to any sort of discrimination, be it religious, sexism or whatever. I 'm just saying..

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by elie

May I add - as a reply to the initial post- that I find the Chinese request for apology somewhat too far-fetched. I don't know who Rosie is, but it was obviously a -pretty lame- joke. It seems to me that people tend to find any excuse to feel offended for the sake of political correctness and it is really annoying.
On another note, I find it somehow "naive" and humorless to be offended by jokes based on stereotypes or making fun of people's accent and such (I don't say those jokes are clever, but you have to be even less clever to take offense). Greek people are usually portrayed in horrific ways in all sorts of american or northern european films (usually they are sly, a bit dirty, with silly moustaches that nobody has nowadays after all, and they talk funny). I never heard of any greeks taking action publicly and making fuss because of that! Let alone demanding a public apology!!

Finally, just a small note to say that I agree with Strand on the discrimination thing against whites. There are not many black people where I live, but I am very familiar with reverse-discrimination.

And p.s. Mary, the word racism might derive from the word "race", however it is used in reference to any sort of discrimination, be it religious, sexism or whatever. I 'm just saying..

And p.s. Mary, the word racism might derive from the word "race", however it is used in reference to any sort of discrimination, be it religious, sexism or whatever. I 'm just saying..
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actually elie, you are confusing "racism" with discrimination in general. racism is not sexism is not ageism etc., all of which are forms of discrimination.

Religions encompass many races, and thus "racism" is inaccurate when you speak of a person's religion. .

Now, one COULD make the point that I discriminate......however, I have also been clear that I hate fundies in ALL religions, so in THAT sense, I am being quite Democratic by including them all!! Nice try tho...

now can we get back to the funny stuff please?

[elie]

^ I don't really think I am confusing something here. I jsut said, it derives from the word race, but when used, even in formal language, its meaning includes any sort of discrimination. It might be a not so correct usage of the actual word, but this is how it is used. I am sorry I interfered, but it seemed to me that you were stuck on a technicality. And no, your argument about hating all fundies doesn't exactly prove that you don't hate all Muslims. I'm not saying you do (!), however it is a very far fetched argument that doesn't prove your point per se. It means exactly what it is supposed to mean: that you hate all fundies. I don't see how that implies directly that you hate only muslims that are fundies. Unless I am missing something here (which actually might very well be the case, since it is difficult to communicate 100% in a language other than you own when it comes to serious mattes like this one).

[strandinthewind]

Interestingly (emphasis supplied)

Main Entry: race

Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza

1 : a breeding stock of animals

2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition

5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
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Then (emphasis supplied)

Main Entry: rac·ism

Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

- rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

http://www.merriamwebster.com/dictionary/racism

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So, the use of racism to describe discrimmination against the Muslim race as defined in bold above appears to be correct

C.f.

Racism is commonly defined as a belief or doctrine where inherent biological differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, with a corollary that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

The term racism is sometimes used to refer to preference for one's own ethnic group (ethnocentrism), fear of foreigners (xenophobia), views or preferences against interbreeding of the races (miscegenation), and/or a generalization of a specific group of people (stereotype); regardless of any explicit belief in superiority or inferiority embedded within such views or preferences. Racism has been used in attempts to justify social discrimination, racial segregation and violence, including genocide. Politicians are known to practice race-baiting in an effort to win constituents.

The term racist, when used to describe someone who supports racism, has been a pejorative term since at least the 1940s, and the identification of a group or person as racist is nearly always controversial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Interestingly (emphasis supplied)

Main Entry: race

Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza

1 : a breeding stock of animals

2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition

5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
______________________________________________

Then (emphasis supplied)

Main Entry: rac·ism

Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

- rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

http://www.merriamwebster.com/dictionary/racism

________________________________________________________

So, the use of racism to describe discrimmination against the Muslim race as defined in bold above appears to be correct

C.f.

Racism is commonly defined as a belief or doctrine where inherent biological differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, with a corollary that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

The term racism is sometimes used to refer to preference for one's own ethnic group (ethnocentrism), fear of foreigners (xenophobia), views or preferences against interbreeding of the races (miscegenation), and/or a generalization of a specific group of people (stereotype); regardless of any explicit belief in superiority or inferiority embedded within such views or preferences. Racism has been used in attempts to justify social discrimination, racial segregation and violence, including genocide. Politicians are known to practice race-baiting in an effort to win constituents.

The term racist, when used to describe someone who supports racism, has been a pejorative term since at least the 1940s, and the identification of a group or person as racist is nearly always controversial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

no, because Muslims encompass many different RACES. you conveniently overlooked the main point which is that it is about RACE!!! You can have African Muslims, Arab Muslims, White Muslims, Indonesian Muslims etc. Muslims are believers in Islam. They encompass many races
thus, again, Jason, you are wrong. I am beginning to think I represent Bill Clinton for you! I've often thought that even if you might agree with me, you will still represent the polar opposite opinion just because you enjoy needling me!

elie: common usage isnt necessarily correct usage. The word MEANS discrimination based on RACE. The technicality is important, and people should be aware.

[elie]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

elie: common usage isnt necessarily correct usage. The word MEANS discrimination based on RACE. The technicality is important.

No. It just derives from the word "race". What it means, is a different story. I think that Strand's post explains that better. If you don't mind, re- read the passage he posted from Wikipedia.
Anyway, I 'm not trying to attack you or pick a fight. We have a different understanding of the subject (on the whole), so let's leave it at that.