National Evangelical Leader Resigns Amid Gay Hooker Allegations - Page 3

Nixxxed · #31 11-03-2006, 12:34 PM

So Haggard has admitted "some" of the allegations were true. That's a new strategy. But the male prostitute didn't exactly pass his lie detector test this morning. How very strange, especially with the meth aspect. Wonder how long until he runs to rehab.

DrummerDeanna · #32 11-03-2006, 12:36 PM

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Bring your cross and holy water.

I intend to...he's speaking right by a church, perhaps I'll go in and get blessed before hand so his evil doesn't penetrate my pure soul

Seriously I'm way bitter about having to see him in person (again).

And Haggard...haven't heard the latest today - but we're sure to carry it on our station, NPR didn't even mention it yesterday - it was all local on our part...I wonder if they'll get on this story today...

sparky · #33 11-03-2006, 12:39 PM

Typical. Nothing new here. But I love it just the same.

Rickypt · #34 11-03-2006, 01:36 PM

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But it is going to make people think, at least momentarily, that people who preach too loudly have a hidden agenda.

One thing though, I heard this guy has 5 kids and a wife, those are the people who really suffer when things like this break.

I don't think people "think" that much or in that kind of depth. Most will be a little interested in the story because everyone loves a sex scandal, and this one is a GAY sex scandal that involves a male prostitute and drugs. A sliver of the population might take the time to ponder the only newsworthy aspect of the story; i.e., hypocrisy. A larger percentage will use the story to reinforce their own prejudices against gay people and gay sex.

And you're right about the family. This is why the more this story gets attention, the more I am bothered that it has become such a public thing.

Rickypt · #35 11-03-2006, 01:41 PM

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But the male prostitute didn't exactly pass his lie detector test this morning.

I'm still trying to understand the motives behind the male escort. He takes money from the guy for 3 years for sex and then suddenly goes to the press because Haagard is against same sex marriage. Going public with this isn't going to change the outcome of the vote on gay marriage in Colorado (in fact, it will probably result in more people voting against gay marriage because what will be on their mind on Tuesday is gay escorts and closeted married dudes snorting meth and having sex).

Rickypt · #36 11-03-2006, 01:51 PM

I'll add that I'm watching cable news coverage of this issue all morning and almost none of the discussion is about hypocrisy. It is all about the "tawdry" situation and everyone loves saying GAY prostitute.

It is very eye-opening for me when stuff like this pops up because it reminds me just how much homophobia still exists out there. Imagine if the issue was around a faith leader who supported racist policies getting caught seeing an African-American female prostitute. The discussion would not be the same.

DrummerDeanna · #37 11-03-2006, 01:56 PM

^^

You make excellent points, and you know, I have never thought about these issues like this - but you're so right! Many a homophobe have this notion about "gay lifestyles" and this sort of cements their thought and fear...and further vilifies gays rather than the true loser in this - the preacher man who's a major hypocrite

Nixxxed · #38 11-03-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickypt

I'll add that I'm watching cable news coverage of this issue all morning and almost none of the discussion is about hypocrisy. It is all about the "tawdry" situation and everyone loves saying GAY prostitute.

It is very eye-opening for me when stuff like this pops up because it reminds me just how much homophobia still exists out there. Imagine if the issue was around a faith leader who supported racist policies getting caught seeing an African-American female prostitute. The discussion would not be the same.

I see what you're saying, but I want the record to show that I went for the even more tawdry gay HOOKER description in the thread headline.

I agree it won't change the vote, but I think every chink in the evangelical armor makes them less likely to push their agenda on us (at the same time they claim we're the ones with the agenda).

As for Jones' motives (and the seeming delay in his actions), I read that he only learned who Haggard was about 6 months ago and had been weighing his actions. And finally saw him on TV a few weeks ago being very anti-gay and decided he had to do something. But, all the details of this are all over the place, and I'm having trouble keeping up.

Rickypt · #39 11-03-2006, 02:09 PM

I'm somewhat impressed...MSNBC has a spiritual leader talking right now who said that this story is a disservice to the gay and lesbian community because it helps reinforce stereotypes. He did say something like "there are millions of upright gays and lesbians who don't use prostitute or pick up people in gay bars". Like picking up someone in a gay bar is immoral or something? Bizarre.

Then they cut away to Hagaard being interviewed this morning. All the of questions are around the meth, the hotel, etc. and no one asked about his hypocrisy.

Rickypt · #40 11-03-2006, 02:12 PM

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I see what you're saying, but I want the record to show that I went for the even more tawdry gay HOOKER description in the thread headline.

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and it got me to look.

So I'm clear, my comments aren't directed at anyone here. They are specific to the media reaction.

For now, I'm suspect of Jones. I believe him, but I'm just not sure about the motives. I'm not convinced that destroying Haggard's family is the best way to address the anti-gay actions. I think I would have just cut off the "business" relationship and left it at that.

Wonder how long until Jones' book comes out?

SuzeQuze · #41 11-03-2006, 02:14 PM

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Then they cut away to Hagaard being interviewed this morning. All the of questions are around the meth, the hotel, etc. and no one asked about his hypocrisy.

Idiots.

sparky · #42 11-03-2006, 02:15 PM

I think hypocrisy is just a given with religious leaders. Like the fact that they breathe. And the whole deal is they can just repent and beg forgiveness and the idiots who gave them money before just keep on giving them money.
Jim Bakker anyone ?
These people never change, and neither do the sheep who follow them.

Rickypt · #43 11-03-2006, 02:32 PM

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Idiots.

I do have to say his answers are ludicrous. Like he bought meth but he decided it was wrong so he threw it away before trying it. What would have compelled him to buy meth in the first place? Oh, here I am getting all caught up in the scandal.....

DavidMn · #44 11-03-2006, 03:34 PM

I had to laugh. People, from experience I can tell you there are plenty of men out there with wives and Gf's that want some man action on the side.

macfanken · #45 11-03-2006, 03:41 PM

I wonder if Haggard has met James Guckert/Jeff Gannon, the White House hooker?