Please, Say You Will - Page 7

Angel69 · #91 06-08-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

I made a naughty, but funny joke concerning him, his ventilated anti-lindseyattitude in a lindsey-appreciationthread, and the fact he himself plays a Turner model one. I can't repeat it because it will cost me a yellow card. But believe me, it hit his pride, so I deleted it, but alot of people over here could have grinned about it.

Thanks I was curious to know what the fuss was all about. Dont repeat it I would hate to see a yellow card issued to you.

Angel69 · #92 06-08-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Now boys, we're friends here. A mistake was made. Big deal. Let's suck it up, and move on. How 'bout it?

I'm buying the first round!

This wouldn't be the same round which resulted in Stevie being called a whore would it?

HomerMcvie · #93 06-08-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel69

This wouldn't be the same round which resulted in Stevie being called a whore would it?

Maybe I think of Steve and Gerald as friends. Is that okay with you?

BTW, I hear they're giving away toys over at Seven Wonders!

Angel69 · #94 06-08-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Maybe I think of Steve and Gerald as friends. Is that okay with you?

BTW, I hear they're giving away toys over at Seven Wonders!

Splendid. Especially for Gerald. I have enough toys for everybody.

David · #95 06-08-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

The only thing that's laughable and pathetic is TIME. That record did not deserve FM's name.

That's okay if you don't like it, shack. Lots of people don't like it. It's really no big deal who likes it & who doesn't like it. But here's how I feel about it (& as you know I'm a keen fan of the studio popcraft years of Fleetwood Mac): "Time" has a number of elements that are also found in the Mac albums I love so much, including a very clean, clear sonic environment, thanks probably to Richard Dashut, some very charming classic-retro Christine McVie ballads, some excellent drumming & bass that reminds me a lot more of Mick & John's glory years than their work on "Behind the Mask" (or at least the way they were recorded & engineered), & a refreshing absence of that self-important, lugubrious quality, that heaviness, that muddled up the "Behind the Mask" album--with its producer who had no clue how to record this particular band. (He must have thought Fleetwood Mac needed to sound like Rick Springfield, the way Rupert Hine thought Stevie Nicks needed to sound like the Fixx or Richard Marx.)

It's just hard for me to grasp how someone can love "Rumours" & the white album but still completely hate "Time." I can understand someone's not liking the new singers, the new songwriters or the lack of various elements (such as an experimental side) that were no longer a force in the band. But "Time" still shares several elements from the older days that are up front & undeniable!

wondergirl9847 · #96 06-08-2006, 05:22 PM

I think the reason that Time is not liked much is because people didn't connect with the people in the band at that time. Stevie and Lindsey connected with folks. Dave Mason, Billy and Bekka are all fine on their own, but in FM...there wasn't really a connection, I don't think.

You can poo-poo it all you want, but the Rumours era FM is...magic. Plain and simple.

I'm not taking away from the pre-Rumours eras by saying that because I LOVE that music too, but I cannot, with a straight face say that Rumours-era FM didn't have the fire-hot spark.

shackin'up · #97 06-08-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Now boys, we're friends here. A mistake was made. Big deal. Let's suck it up, and move on. How 'bout it?

I'm buying the first round!

If you swallowed the first big beer at the moment I repeated my "mistake"" you'd spread the heavenly liquid all over the place my friend. THAT's for sure.

But Chili called me a d*ckless psycho wuss in his response and ,although it's quite an accurate description, the only thing I want is that he pulls that back in a post or a PM. That's all. I pulled my joke back after an hour and a half by deleting it. I am receiving PM's from other ledgies now who ask me to post more often, so I came out to try to solve this. It really killed my hunger to post here for quite a while.

cheers, mate.

shackin'up · #98 06-08-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by David

That's okay if you don't like it, shack. Lots of people don't like it. It's really no big deal who likes it & who doesn't like it. But here's how I feel about it (& as you know I'm a keen fan of the studio popcraft years of Fleetwood Mac): "Time" has a number of elements that are also found in the Mac albums I love so much, including a very clean, clear sonic environment, thanks probably to Richard Dashut, some very charming classic-retro Christine McVie ballads, some excellent drumming & bass that reminds me a lot more of Mick & John's glory years than their work on "Behind the Mask" (or at least the way they were recorded & engineered), & a refreshing absence of that self-important, lugubrious quality, that heaviness, that muddled up the "Behind the Mask" album--with its producer who had no clue how to record this particular band. (He must have thought Fleetwood Mac needed to sound like Rick Springfield, the way Rupert Hine thought Stevie Nicks needed to sound like the Fixx or Richard Marx.)

It's just hard for me to grasp how someone can love "Rumours" & the white album but still completely hate "Time." I can understand someone's not liking the new singers, the new songwriters or the lack of various elements (such as an experimental side) that were no longer a force in the band. But "Time" still shares several elements from the older days that are up front & undeniable!

fair enough, david. But I think Chris' ballads sound highly predictable on time. In fact, I don't like any of her songs after Mirage except Isn't it midnight. Before that almost anything from her hand sounds divine to me.

By the way I agree on your reception of BTM. That's ugliness too. I tried to like those albums, sure but no success. I saw the Time era band Live in groningen and loved it, because John and Mick were on fire. And they played alot of the rumoursera so it was a nostalgianight for me. It was alot better than the liveshow from the BTM-line-up, though.

Only one thing blew it for me in Groningen: Blow by Blow. Yek.

John Run · #99 06-08-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by David

To me, the songs on SYW are as good as all the other FM songs on the other albums, but I just don't enjoy listening to the album because of the way it sounds, the sonics of it. My theory is that, just like the army of backups ruins the sonic environment of the stage show, the army of production & engineering guys who did SYW ****ed that one up--or "updated" the sonics so that the style simulates today's semiunderground hits, possibly (or Reprise's idea of "viable" music). The other theory I have is that Lindsey, with age, has lost his keen ear & his instincts for crafting the best possible sound & presentation for each track. The Fleetwood Mac "gleam" seems to have dulled, even though the songwriters are still writing good material.

Praise you David! Praise you! This is what has always been the problem with Say You Will. It has a muted, muddled mix that softens the drum sounds and muddles so much of the guitar, bass, and keyboards into a mulch of undistinguished parts. I don't think Lindsey has lost his ear, but I do think he forced Needham to mix it like this because I can't imagine any engineer would have wanted it this way. Here is my theory: Lindsey latched onto a trend in the mid 90's that lasted for about 5 years or so that kind of took song making away from artful pop craft and towards a cloudy production haze that made your music sound dark and brooding. Problem was it took Lindsey from what I believe to be his center, which is as a producer/arranger of finely crafted pop music, into something he felt would make him more relevant. Of course it takes him so long to release anything that by the time Say You Will was released it sounded dated and out of form, which is what happens to most music that shies away from staple principles and embraces trends.

chiliD · #**100** 06-08-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

... the only thing I want is that he pulls that back in a post or a PM. That's all.

Ain't gonna happen, deal with it & move on.

DavidMn · #**101** 06-08-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Ain't gonna happen, deal with it & move on.

Amen brother!

BTFLCHLD · #**102** 06-08-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

BTW, I hear they're giving away toys over at Seven Wonders!

Homie, the only toy you seem to play with lately is your geritol pillbox.
Why do you make jabs at young people a habit?
Are you 50+ or fast approaching? I'm curious.

HomerMcvie · #**103** 06-09-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

Homie, the only toy you seem to play with lately is your geritol pillbox.
Why do you make jabs at young people a habit?
Are you 50+ or fast approaching? I'm curious.

Not close by any stretch of the imagination.
Lately, it just seems like were being inundated with 16 year olds.
(AND NO BRIAN, I'm not telling them they aren't welcome here, only that I hope this board doesn't become Seven Wonders).

Dreamz19 · #**104** 06-09-2006, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TomBanks147

No really, it is.

Off course it all comes down to opinion. SYW is how I got into the Mac and its better than any other Mac album for me personally and its definatly in my top 5 favourite albums ever (Oasis, Beatles etc also belong there so its hard to pick a particular album).

I don't see why its funny though. I personally LOVE it.

And keep loving it!

I can't say SYW is my all time favorite Mac album but it certainly has grown on me and I think it is good even though I miss Christine.

Dreamz19 · #**105** 06-09-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

that's how I feel. it does, though, have some masterful cuts on it. Goodbye Baby, Everybody Finds Out, Say Goodbye...if the album had been full of these type songs it would have been a masterpiece. and I like Silver Girl...I don't get all the hate on that song. not saying you Deanna, but some people I think just jumped on the bandwagon and probably don't really dislike it. same as WISYA...it's just easier to not like that like.

anyway, I like it and listen to it on occasion, but I think it could have been better.

I don't hate Sliver Girl either. It's not exactly a favorite of mine (mostly because of the lyrics) but I like it.