"Street Angel" and "Jane" - Page 3

miriamswell · #31 04-17-2002, 12:13 AM

Hitler had eyes. Stalin had eyes. Pol Pot had eyes. Ossama bin Laudin has eyes, by all accounts. Are they and their work all part of God's wondrous plan?

We are not descended from monkeys, they belong to a differnt genus and are never coming down from the trees. There are no monkies with tails in the old world. Do the math. Our closest relatives in the primate family are chimpanzees and they go up and down trees whenever the whim takes them. They are also another branch on the familial tree. Gorrillas likewise share much DNA and have little to do with trees except to lean against them and eat them. Maybe God created Hitler the same day he created fire ants. I certainly don't know. Nor do the 6 million Jews, 10 million Russians and several million of your country men murdered in the Second World War. You are becoming smug and unpleasant and worst of all, boring. I really don't care what you believe or don't believe, think or don't think (the latter being my inclination, but then I promised myself I wouldn't get nasty). Just go away and leave me alone.

Lori · #32 04-17-2002, 01:15 AM

Wow.

I had enjoyed the beginning of this discussion very much. It has become not only NOT enjoyable, but rather sad. I'm sorry it has taken this ugly turn.

I suppose this is just more evidence of why the Chit chat forum had to be shut down. It seems that when we begin to stray from the topic of Fleetwood Mac and its members, we find out just how truly different we all are despite our musical connection.

It kind of reminds me of what happens sometimes when a group of co-workers gets together socially...they think that because they get along well at work and have fun together in that atmosphere, that it would surely be even more fun to be with those same people outside the drudgery of the work situation. More oftentimes than not, however, they find that in a social situation they have absolutely nothing to talk about with each other (except for maybe their work), because all they really have in common is the workplace.

On the other hand, we Ledgies seem to find in a lot of instances that although we have the love of FM in common, the WAY that love manifests itself in each of us individually can be very different indeed. One person's favorite FM/Stevie/Lindsey/Chris song may very well be another fan's LEAST favorite. But I guess that is the beauty of the diversity of us all.

Lori

BellaDonnaGypsy · #33 04-17-2002, 06:32 AM

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Originally posted by highpriestess53
It is unfortunate that some of the worlds religionists subscribe to Darwin's theories.....and in our schools it has been taught as fact for many many years...

Louise, I partially agree with this, although I have had the opposite experience. I was taught about religion... well, Christianity... from an early age at school. During that time, I don't think we were ever once told that religion is entirely based on theories and assumptions. I was never comfortable with having opinions shoved down my throat without any evidence to support them. However, we were told of many different theories surrounding our existence in biology class: Darwin's theory of evolution, the theory of creation, and even panspermia. This was one of my favorite topics throughout the entire two years I took the subject for GCSE, and I believe I wrote about all three theories in my final exam at some point (for which I got an A). I still don't know which theory I believe... I am constantly re-evaluating my own beliefs as I gain more knowledge. I am not really sure where I am going with this, but I do not think children should be told that religious or scientific theories, which are not proven, are fact at an age where they cannot differentiate it themselves, or cannot question it... I think if I had stood up and said, "But how do you know God exists?" in pre-school, they would have yelled at me to sit down and shut up.

I guess I'm lucky that my parents always encouraged me to form my own opinions.

I don't think anyone should be fighting over their beliefs either... yours are as important as the next person's. And without difference of opinion, we would have no mental diversity anyway... who would want a population of zombies?

Laura.

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #34 04-17-2002, 06:43 AM

I'm with you on this Lori. Wow...how a thread can totally change direction!!

I don't know you Mim and you have every right to your opinion even if it is different to Louise's. But I do know Louise and she is definately not smug, unpleasant or boring. Let's all try to get along and not start another war on here or we might end up losing the Stevie board too.

A while back I mailed Marty asking if losing the Chit Chat board would save bandswidth. He said that if the chit chat board went the topics would spill out onto the other boards anyway. Looks like he was right.

But as Laura said let's not fight over our beliefes...the sebject always becomes heated and it is best avoided.

Pip

highpriestess53 · #35 04-17-2002, 06:56 AM

worthy opponent miriamswell.....

I like a good debate but it got a little too nasty for my liking.....don't expect me not to retaliate when I am being attacked......

miriamswell · #36 04-17-2002, 05:07 PM

Sweetheart, I was not attacking you personally, just your belief system. Again, one of the most precious of our rights as human beings is to disagree. You and I are never going to agree about this subject and that's fine. But try to understand my position, I feel as passionately about the different theories of evolution as you feel about creation and I get terribly frustrated when people will not listen to different points of view. That is partly my fault because I was too lazy to share *my* knowledge and for that I ask your forgiveness. After several degrees in Psych/Anthropology I just start assuming that everyone shares the jargon, again my apologies.

Shall we just agree that we will never agree about this subject and find something we can agree upon? I think I like you Louise, and I would love to talk/write with you about another subject. Like where can a person found a decent vhs from the end of the "Rumours" tour when Stevie had that incredible wild mane of hair? And what is your favourite Stevie song for when you really need cheering up, for when you are bursting with joy and for when you are mad enought to throw shoes?

~Mim

highpriestess53 · #37 04-18-2002, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by miriamswell
Sweetheart, I was not attacking you personally, just your belief system. Again, one of the most precious of our rights as human beings is to disagree. You and I are never going to agree about this subject and that's fine. But try to understand my position, I feel as passionately about the different theories of evolution as you feel about creation and I get terribly frustrated when people will not listen to different points of view. That is partly my fault because I was too lazy to share *my* knowledge and for that I ask your forgiveness. After several degrees in Psych/Anthropology I just start assuming that everyone shares the jargon, again my apologies.

Shall we just agree that we will never agree about this subject and find something we can agree upon? I think I like you Louise, and I would love to talk/write with you about another subject. Like where can a person found a decent vhs from the end of the "Rumours" tour when Stevie had that incredible wild mane of hair? And what is your favourite Stevie song for when you really need cheering up, for when you are bursting with joy and for when you are mad enought to throw shoes?
~Mim

I agree that the subject matter needs to be left alone.....LOL!!
Hey Mim......apologies? Not necessary.....as one should never apologise for ones beliefs.

As for the other subjects mentioned, I'll start with.....When I am getting a tad hot under the collar Standback does it for me every time.......played incredibly loud is for me the only way to listen to this 'driving force of a song'.....it is not necessarily the lyrical content but there is something about the way that this song grabs your soul.....the rhytms....

Many years ago......Standback was THE song that I would drive to when I was mad......I used to live in a place called Husborne Crawley a tiny village next to the Duke of Bedford Estate in Bedfordshire England...this Estate has a wall which runs all the way around it.
Part of it runs parallel with a road that takes you towards a Market town called Leighton Buzzard....at the right speed, too fast for anyones good Standback could just about be played twice before you hit the crossroads to turn around to come back.......and do it all again....LOL!!

Well this is a start.....

Lori · #38 04-18-2002, 10:26 PM

Yay! I feel so much better.

Not that anyone cares, mind you.

Conflict makes me SO uncomfortable. I guess I have issues.

I like it when people get along!

Lori

highpriestess53 · #39 04-18-2002, 11:49 PM

that you feel better.....about the whole issue...

miriamswell · #40 04-19-2002, 12:39 AM

with Louise!

Speaking of which, woman, you sound like a menace on the road!

My favorite "mad" Stevie song is...."Stand Back." Or the GDW from the 1977 Tokoyo show. The wailing at the end is soooooo cathartic. "The Chain" at the beginning of the "Mirage" concert is pretty wild too. For being mad at a specific person "Stop Dragging etc." is pretty good too. I guess I just have a thing for wailing Stevie.
~Mim