You create the best album - Page 4

chiliD · #46 04-20-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

...I would have rather they had included "Save Me" instead of "Skies The Limit." Given that the former was a Top 40 hit, I imagine more people would have recognized it, too.

Well, that's iffy..."Skies The Limit" WAS a fairly popular VIDEO (on VH-1) as well as single. (I think "Save Me" was the better song, however).

Johnny Stew · #47 04-20-2006, 05:35 PM

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If "Family Man" and "When I See You Again" are the bastard children of Tango In The Night, I will gladly be their loving foster parent.

And I would gladly be their co-parent with you... though I'm not sure in which states it would be legal.

Jyqm · #48 04-20-2006, 05:35 PM

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Actually, I think they'd fit better on a revamped Behind The Mask. There already are PLENTY of Tango outtakes that would fill a 2nd disc.

True, but I was trying to think of something that actually has a slight chance of happening anytime in the near future.

Johnny Stew · #49 04-20-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Well, that's iffy..."Skies The Limit" WAS a fairly popular VIDEO (on VH-1) as well as single. (I think "Save Me" was the better song, however).

True, true... but "Save Me" was popular on both VH1 and MTV (even making MTV's Top 20 Video Countdown). It also charted in the Top 40 on Billboard's charts, whereas "Skies" didn't chart at all.

Plus, like you, I just think that "Save Me" is the all-around better song.

Johnny Stew · #50 04-20-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jyqm

True, but I was trying to think of something that actually has a slight chance of happening anytime in the near future.

As it is, I'm starting to lose hope that we'll even get 'Live,' 'Mirage' and 'Tango.' Which is a pity.
I'm constantly reading about albums from less-popular acts receiving the "expanded & remastered" treatment, so there's no excuse for ANY Mac album in Warner's catalog to go ignored... and, yet, here we are.

chiliD · #51 04-20-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

As it is, I'm starting to lose hope that we'll even get 'Live,' 'Mirage' and 'Tango.' Which is a pity.
I'm constantly reading about albums from less-popular acts receiving the "expanded & remastered" treatment, so there's no excuse for ANY Mac album in Warner's catalog to go ignored... and, yet, here we are.

Well, since next year is the 40th anniversary, Rhino/WB Special Products may be gearing up for a big splash.

Johnny Stew · #52 04-20-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Well, since next year is the 40th anniversary, Rhino/WB Special Products may be gearing up for a big splash.

Man, do I hope you're right, buddy.
I'm a frugal person, but I'd definitely plunk down a hefty chunk of change for those suckers!

Jyqm · #53 04-20-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

As it is, I'm starting to lose hope that we'll even get 'Live,' 'Mirage' and 'Tango.' Which is a pity.
I'm constantly reading about albums from less-popular acts receiving the "expanded & remastered" treatment, so there's no excuse for ANY Mac album in Warner's catalog to go ignored... and, yet, here we are.

Oh yeah, there are tons of obscure and cult bands who do really wonderful jobs remixing/remastering/reissuing/expanding their catalogues. Look at the great Talking Heads Brick that came out last year. Look at the Rhino reissues of Elvis Costello's entire catalogue up to 1996. Even Dinosaur Jr. is remastering and expanding a bunch of their albums for reissue. When were any of these people ever as popular as the Rumours line-up of Fleetwood Mac? It's ridiculous, and utterly thoughtless on the part of everyone involved with the band.

That's why I can't stand it when some of these Fleetwood Mac fan apologists chime in whenever anybody suggests a good idea by saying, "Oh, well, you can't expect them to do that, nobody would buy it, it wouldn't make any money." It's total bull****. In this age of niche marketing, I'm sure there are people just dying to give Fleetwood Mac's catalogue an overhaul, or put out a DVD of their videos or some archival concert footage or something, anything! That Buckingham Nicks to this day has never been released on CD is utter stupidity. What is wrong with this band?

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Well, since next year is the 40th anniversary, Rhino/WB Special Products may be gearing up for a big splash.

As always with this crew, I'll believe it when I see it on the shelves. Until then, I'm not holding my breath for a second.

David · #54 04-20-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

True, true... but "Save Me" was popular on both VH1 and MTV (even making MTV's Top 20 Video Countdown). It also charted in the Top 40 on Billboard's charts, whereas "Skies" didn't chart at all.

Oh come on, you guys. Boy, when Macheads start talking about Mac, rationality goes flying out the window! I think there's a difference between a video that "charts" & a video that's genuinely popular. I don't think you could have asked 100 kids in 1990 whether they knew--let alone liked--the Save Me video & gotten a single affirmative reply. And that goes double for Skies the Limit. It's payola that put that video in the Top 20 anything on MTV/VH1, not popularity.

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Plus, like you, I just think that "Save Me" is the all-around better song.

You're both wrong. Skies is the better song!

David · #55 04-20-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

As it is, I'm starting to lose hope that we'll even get 'Live,' 'Mirage' and 'Tango.' Which is a pity.

I doubt there'll be **** in the future. I think the white album, rumours & tusk reissues were the end of the line, as far as back catalog is concerned.

come to think of it, that was probably the end of the line as far as anything fleetwood mac 1975-2006 is concerned.

If you guys were judges, you'd probably give 75 parole hearings for a single criminal. you guys are always thinking, "let's give them one more chance"

so in that sense you are merciful & therefore you are closer to the Jesus of the Gospels than I am, & that is to be commended.

Johnny Stew · #56 04-20-2006, 09:17 PM

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Oh come on, you guys. Boy, when Macheads start talking about Mac, rationality goes flying out the window! I think there's a difference between a video that "charts" & a video that's genuinely popular. I don't think you could have asked 100 kids in 1990 whether they knew--let alone liked--the Save Me video & gotten a single affirmative reply. And that goes double for Skies the Limit. It's payola that put that video in the Top 20 anything on MTV/VH1, not popularity.

Did payola really effect MTV's playlist the way it did radio? The Top 20 Video Countdown (do they even still have that?) was supposed to be based on how many requests each song received from viewers. I've never read anything to suggest that payola was involved, but you've brought up a good point.

If payola was involved though, it sure didn't help "Whole Lotta Trouble" or "Skies The Limit," as far as MTV airplay is concerned!

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You're both wrong. Skies is the better song!

"Skies" is better than "Do You Know," but it's not better than "Save Me." So there.

Johnny Stew · #57 04-20-2006, 09:19 PM

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so in that sense you are merciful & therefore you are closer to the Jesus of the Gospels than I am, & that is to be commended.

Well, I did have long hair and a beard, once upon a time.

HomerMcvie · #58 04-21-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

"Skies" is better than "Do You Know," but it's not better than "Save Me." So there.

I ABSOLUTELY LOVED Do You Know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It meant ALOT to me at the time. Words can't explain how much.

Jyqm · #59 04-21-2006, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Did payola really effect MTV's playlist the way it did radio? The Top 20 Video Countdown (do they even still have that?) was supposed to be based on how many requests each song received from viewers. I've never read anything to suggest that payola was involved, but you've brought up a good point.

Come on now, Brian. "MTV basing their programming around corporate insider agreements rather than playing what people actually want to hear?" You're smarter than that.

Do answer your other question, though: VH1 still does a "Top 20 Video Countdown." Who knows hwat it's actually based on. Weekly focus groups and ClearChannel radio playlists, probably. MTV, meanwhile, switched from a weekly 20 Countdown to "Total Request Live" back in 1997, and that show was largely based on viewers' requests each day. I believe that show is still alive and kicking, though who knows if they even still show videos anymore.

DavidMn · #60 04-21-2006, 01:12 PM

Its interesting reading some of the opinions here. It's sorta the age old discussion of pre '75 VS post '75. Everyone has a legitimate opinion. My attitude is that it's important to pay respect to the former. One of the things in my opinion that makes Fleetwood Mac so good is their rich and varied history. Fascinating really.