Honestly guys, the mitzpha...

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by Lux

I have no opinion on the matter, no idea what she knew and there's no devotion on my part to be changed. I do have to question why you imply that someone should be more outraged at another's personal use of drugs than at the idea of another supporting a man who is making money out of an immoral war involving thousands of deaths. Again, I don't know what she knew, her actions speak as a support however she may simply be guilty of ignorance, but you appear to be implying that the idea the topic starter is outraged at is less of a moral outrage than that of personal own drug use.

Sadly Lux there are still plenty of people in the U.S. who support the illegal and immoral Iraq war and don't seem to have to much of a problem with people losing their lives over such senselessness .So maybe the coke is more of a moral outrage to some .Though that way of thinking is somethng I will never be able to understand.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Lux

I have no opinion on the matter, no idea what she knew and there's no devotion on my part to be changed. I do have to question why you imply that someone should be more outraged at another's personal use of drugs than at the idea of another supporting a man who is making money out of an immoral war involving thousands of deaths. Again, I don't know what she knew, her actions speak as a support however she may simply be guilty of ignorance, but you appear to be implying that the idea the topic starter is outraged at is less of a moral outrage than that of personal own drug use.

absolutely not. my point was that we have close to no facts about this performance and are still judging very harshly. people claiming to have totally changed their outlook on Stevie or that it's one of the lowest things an idolized star has done in 30 years of fandom...

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Sadly Lux there are still plenty of people in the U.S. who support the illegal and immoral Iraq war and don't seem to have to much of a problem with people losing their lives over such senselessness .So maybe the coke is more of a moral outrage to some .Though that way of thinking is somethng I will never be able to understand.

I agree. There are people who support this war - and I am not one of them.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Lux

I have no opinion on the matter, no idea what she knew and there's no devotion on my part to be changed. I do have to question why you imply that someone should be more outraged at another's personal use of drugs than at the idea of another supporting a man who is making money out of an immoral war involving thousands of deaths. Again, I don't know what she knew, her actions speak as a support however she may simply be guilty of ignorance, but you appear to be implying that the idea the topic starter is outraged at is less of a moral outrage than that of personal own drug use.

another thing I want to point out is that this was not a campaign fundraiser or a concert to benefit this man. it was a bat mitzvah and Stevie was being paid for her performance. to me that, in no way, accounts as support. that's just my opinion. you may or may not agree with that and that's perfectly fine.

[Rickypt]

Well, I guess this topic isn't going to die until Stevie does something new, like the Australian shows.

I've said a lot about this Bat Mitzvah. I'm not angry with or disappointed in Stevie. I'm embarrassed for all the performers, including Stevie, because they played a ridiculous party, with a host who didn't treat many of them with respect (as evident by the Aerosmith/drum incident).

I'm disappointed in the host for flaunting his wealth and wasting money that could have helped so many people.

I think Stevie's management should have kept her from doing this show. She has received really bad PR, and for such a caring and giving person, shouldn't have done a private show for a guy with so many labor disputes and a questionable record on his war equipment. But I've followed Stevie enough to believe that she isn't intimately involved with her scheduling. This one I blame on her management. Stevie's heart can't be questioned in my opinion--this one is a lack of good judgement by her handlers.

The only artist I'm really disappointed in is Petty because he seems so much more engaged with politics. He really should have known who he was playing for.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Well, I guess this topic isn't going to die until Stevie does something new, like the Australian shows.

I've said a lot about this Bat Mitzvah. I'm not angry with or disappointed in Stevie. I'm embarrassed for all the performers, including Stevie, because they played a ridiculous party, with a host who didn't treat many of them with respect (as evident by the Aerosmith/drum incident).

I'm disappointed in the host for flaunting his wealth and wasting money that could have helped so many people.

I think Stevie's management should have kept her from doing this show. She has received really bad PR, and for such a caring and giving person, shouldn't have done a private show for a guy with so many labor disputes and a questionable record on his war equipment. But I've followed Stevie enough to believe that she isn't intimately involved with her scheduling. This one I blame on her management. Stevie's heart can't be questioned in my opinion--this one is a lack of good judgement by her handlers.

The only artist I'm really disappointed in is Petty because he seems so much more engaged with politics. He really should have known who he was playing forl.

yeppers

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

And like I said, Stevie probably didn't even know who the father of the girl was. How was she supposed to know?

I completely understand people not being upset/disappointed/outraged/whatever about Stevie playing this kind of event, but this line of logic just seems completely stupid to me. Stevie accepts a huge paycheck from a guy and plays at his private party, but "how was she supposed to know" who he was? She's not an idiot, people.

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Sadly Lux there are still plenty of people in the U.S. who support the illegal and immoral Iraq war and don't seem to have to much of a problem with people losing their lives over such senselessness

I don't know about "plenty." Not these days.

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Well, I guess this topic isn't going to die until Stevie does something new, like the Australian shows.

I've said a lot about this Bat Mitzvah. I'm not angry with or disappointed in Stevie. I'm embarrassed for all the performers, including Stevie, because they played a ridiculous party, with a host who didn't treat many of them with respect (as evident by the Aerosmith/drum incident).

I'm disappointed in the host for flaunting his wealth and wasting money that could have helped so many people.

I think Stevie's management should have kept her from doing this show. She has received really bad PR, and for such a caring and giving person, shouldn't have done a private show for a guy with so many labor disputes and a questionable record on his war equipment. But I've followed Stevie enough to believe that she isn't intimately involved with her scheduling. This one I blame on her management. Stevie's heart can't be questioned in my opinion--this one is a lack of good judgement by her handlers.

The only artist I'm really disappointed in is Petty because he seems so much more engaged with politics. He really should have known who he was playing for.

I completely agree with this post. I honestly beleieve that Stevie had no idea what this man does for a living when she decided to play the party. And truthfully, I like that she would be willing to do a private party, for the right price. *I'll* never have that kind of money, but I can dream, right?

And about the teleprompter-uh, hello? What difference does THAT make? Seriously- I don't get this. I can't believe that this little tidbit of information would change a fan's outlook. Who cares if she uses one or not? Maybe it's just a security thing for her, or whatever. Sometimes it feels like fans are too nitpicky with Stevie. I, for one, don't understand the constant critisism. If you honestly think that Stevie supports this gazillionaire, and because of that you think she's let you down, that's one thing. But some of the other stuff is just nitpicky to me.

[priestofnothing]

Originally Posted by jannieC

And about the teleprompter-uh, hello? What difference does THAT make? Seriously- I don't get this.

Just for everybody who is shocked at this, Stevie used a teleprompter at the show I attended last summer on the Gold Dust Tour. She probably had it the whole tour. Anybody else spot it?

[upontheventura]

Hey Jazmin- that is Tori and me. An artist for whom my respect never wavers. Could you imagine Tori singing "Blood Roses" at a Mitzfa (sp). lol. That would be something to see!!!! As for this thread, I really didn't want to stir things up and I should have added my comment to the existing thread. But I feel pretty strongly about it and I tried to make myself come across as nicely as possible. Even though I think it is SO LAME. I will leave it at that.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

In 30 entire years, this has upset you most?

L'g. M. F'g. A O. !!!!!

[Sahara]

It doesn't really annoy me, what she chooses to do is her own business but I would like to point out that on BBC last night Johnathon Ross mentioned it and talked about Tom Petty, Aerosmith and the Eagles ... but didn't mention Stevie.

OK, that was pointless. Never mind.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by dissention

I'm quite fond of what Mr. Tom Cestaro of Celebrities Plus Inc. had to say about this bat vomitzvah hooey in the current issue of Entertainment Weekly: "Even though they're getting paid, it sort of humanizes these stars. Like, they're not on the red carpet, they're not at an awards show, they're at a banquet hall in Syoset, Long Island."

You know, he's absolutely correct. When I think of someone like Fitty Cent or Stephanie Lynn Nicks being written a check for half a million dollars, or a cool million, for less than a days work, my first thought is 'Ah, they're human. Just like the rest of us. Cheese whiz, man.' The disgust over such avarice and gaudiness plays second fiddle to the realization that, wow, Stevie Nicks, Tom Petty, and the rest of that flock are real human beings, collecting exorbitant paychecks and standing in the chow line in a banquet hall at a lavish party just like the rest of us lowly paupers. How delicious.

I shall never pass up the opportunity to attend a potluck supper at the Knights of Columbus ever again. It will give me the perfect opportunity to live like a star for a night in a lovely banquet hall. Albeit a human star.

It's rather unfortunate that the likes of Mr. Cestaro can't recognize that such greed and tackiness couldn't be anything but human.

I prefer Potlucks at the VFW myself.

[ELIUD]

Originally Posted by upontheventura

I am so tired I can not be bothered with spelling it correctly. Is anyone here truly disappointed with Stevie over this? I gotta say that I am. But then I try to remember Stevie kissing that soldier or visiting the soldiers and giving them ipods. And all the years of great music she has brought us. But this mitzpa thing has REALLY turned me off. REALLY. Anybody else feeling this way? Just me?

It really doesn't bother me at all.