Death Toll from Earthquake at 79,000

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^^

without global warming Katrina would not have happened. That is assinine and completely ignores the facts and history as Cat. 5 storms have happened before Katrina

Yes but not with the same frequency.

But anbd to the point, you need to quote the whole paragraph, which fails to support that global warming was the sole cause of a cat. 5 storm:

In spite of the natural ocean cycle and global warming, the dramatic increases in U.S. hurricane damage is mainly due to the increases in coastal populations since the 1940's.
Because hurricanes are so unpredictable, no specific cost can be attributed to global warming. This means it is just as wrong to say there has been no cost as to say it was 20% or 40% of hurricane damage in recent years. Without global warming, Katrina almost certainly would not have happened, but something else would have, and it might have been worse, ... or better. We just don't know.

Again, that doesnt address the cause, it addresses the EFFECT. VERY DIFFERENT TOPICS.


By the way Brwn_eyes, the fact that you pick on tree huggers makes you just as much of an eejit as Monkey Boy. Trees are incredibly important to the health of this world, and the rape of the Rain Forests of South America is also contributing to the degradation of the checks and balances of the Natural World.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . .
Again, that doesnt address the cause, it addresses the EFFECT. VERY DIFFERENT TOPICS . . . .

They are talking about the cause in that section

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

While global warming certainly is happening, the trend of hurricanes since they have been recorded is not fully supportive of this frequency of the storms this season being caused by this warming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Also http://zfacts.com/p/49.html

Note - I am not saying GW is not effecting it. I am just saying the trends are not dispositive of it being the sole cause or really a significant cause.

you obviously didnt fully read all your material! look at the links embedded in your page, and please pay attention to the graphs!

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

They are talking about the cause in that section

they say the cause is global warming they say the effect is costly because of increased population. go back and look I even highlighted it for you!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

you obviously didnt fully read all your material! look at the links embedded in your page, and please pay attention to the graphs!

It does not say that global warming is the sole cause of this season's storms. I think you think I am saying that global warming had no effect whatsoever, which is not what I am saying. I am merely saying it it not the sole culprit, which is what the conclusion of this article says.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Yes but not with the same frequency.



Again, that doesnt address the cause, it addresses the EFFECT. VERY DIFFERENT TOPICS.


By the way Brwn_eyes, the fact that you pick on tree huggers makes you just as much of an eejit as Monkey Boy. Trees are incredibly important to the health of this world, and the rape of the Rain Forests of South America is also contributing to the degradation of the checks and balances of the Natural World.

I knew that would grab your attention! LOL. I was just inciting a little morning humor. I do NOT want to involve myself in a "global warming" debate...it is one of my least favorite subjects in terms of politics...in terms of anything really!

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I knew that would grab your attention! LOL. I was just inciting a little morning humor. I do NOT want to involve myself in a "global warming" debate...it is one of my least favorite subjects in terms of politics...in terms of anything really!

Well....(and I mean this in a NICE way) you, my friend, are a BUTTHEAD

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I knew that would grab your attention! LOL. I was just inciting a little morning humor. I do NOT want to involve myself in a "global warming" debate...it is one of my least favorite subjects in terms of politics...in terms of anything really!

Denial is not merely a rapidly depleting and heinously polluted river in Egypt.



*it's morning?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Well....(and I mean this in a NICE way) you, my friend, are a BUTTHEAD

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by amber

Denial is not merely a rapidly depleting and heinously polluted river in Egypt.

It's not so much denial as it is "being to smart" to by into that crap.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It does not say that global warming is the sole cause of this season's storms. I think you think I am saying that global warming had no effect whatsoever, which is not what I am saying. I am merely saying it it not the sole culprit, which is what the conclusion of this article says.

I think they are hedging a bit, because if you go into all your links and graphs and data, the science is there, but no one really wants to point a finger....

I personally feel it is the sole culprit and I think our collective consumption (world wide, not just in America, although we are the worst) is affecting this planet in a detrimental manner. It may be too late to reverse it, even if we all quit driving gas hogs today..........but we should all plant a tree and do what we can to try and help Mother Nature heal this planet

[strandinthewind]

Here is another cool article - this one is from Time:

Monday, Aug. 29, 2005

Is Global Warming Fueling Katrina?

Warm ocean temperatures are a key ingredient for monster hurricanes, prompting some scientists to believe that global warming is exacerbating our storm troubles

By JEFFREY KLUGER

The people of New Orleans are surely not thinking about wind vortices, the coriolis effect or the dampness of the troposphere as they hunker down during hurricane Katrina this morning. They’re mostly thinking about the savage rains and 140 mph winds that have driven them from their homes. But it’s that meteorological arcana that’s made such a mess of the bayou, and to hear a lot of people tell it, we have only ourselves—and our global-warming ways—to blame.

One thing’s for sure: hurricanes were around a long, long time before human beings began chopping down rainforests and fouling the atmosphere. To get such a tempest going, you don’t need much more than ocean temperatures above 80 degrees Fahrenheit; a cool, wet atmosphere above and a warm, wet one near the surface; and a preexisting weather disturbance with a bit of spin to it far enough from the equator (at least 300 miles) so that the rotation of the Earth amplifies the rotation of the storm. The more intense the storm becomes, the more the temperature of its core climbs, accelerating the spin, exacerbating the storm, and leading to the meteorological violence we call a hurricane. And violent it can be: The heat released in an average hurricane can equal the electricity produced by the U.S. in a single year.

So is global warming making the problem worse? Superficially, the numbers say yes—or at least they seem to if you live in the U.S. From 1995 to 1999, a record 33 hurricanes struck the Atlantic basin, and that doesn’t include 1992’s horrific Hurricane Andrew, which clawed its way across south Florida in 1992, causing $27 billion dollars worth of damage. More-frequent hurricanes are part of most global warming models, and as mean temperatures rise worldwide, it’s hard not to make a connection between the two. But hurricane-scale storms occur all over the world, and in some places—including the North Indian ocean and the region near Australia—the number has actually fallen. Even in the U.S., the period from 1991 to 1994 was a time of record hurricane quietude, with the dramatic exception of Andrew.

Just why some areas of the world get hit harder than others at different times is impossible to say. Everything from random atmospheric fluctuations to the periodic warming of the Pacific Ocean known as El Nino can be responsible. But even if all these variables have combined to keep the number of hurricanes worldwide about the same, the storms do appear to be more intense. One especially sobering study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found that hurricane wind speeds have increased about 50% in the past 50 years. And since warm oceans are such a critical ingredient in hurricane formation, anything that gets the water warming more could get the storms growing worse. Global warming, in theory at least, would be more than sufficient to do that. While the people of New Orleans may not see another hurricane for years, the next one they do see could make even Katrina look mild.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...099102,00.html

[irishgrl]

well, more of the same. My money's on Global Warming. WE HAVE SINNED AGAINST OUR MOTHER.

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

It's not so much denial as it is "being to smart" to by into that crap.

Myeah. Good luck with that.
Also, too, as in "to smart" as you say it, has two ohs.
So really, you are "too smart" to buy into it, not so much "to smart".
To smart is more like a verb thing. Like, "I'm going to smart! And When I am done smarting, I will go to closet practice!"
Like that.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

well, more of the same. My money's on Global Warming. WE HAVE SINNED AGAINST OUR MOTHER.

It certainly has not helped the situation - that is for sure.