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Old 10-16-2005, 12:53 PM
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It's okay. Part of the reason I dislike the song is the fact that it has been played too much, but so has GYOW, and I never tire of that one. I skip it on Rumours and the compilations most of the time. However, I enjoy the Dance version.
I'm honestly COMPLETELY sick of the Rumours album. I've just heard it too many millions of times in my life. It's my own fault. I bought the reissue(the day it came out), and STILL have only listened to the bonus disk! Track #8, please...
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:02 PM
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I'm honestly COMPLETELY sick of the Rumours album. I've just heard it too many millions of times in my life. It's my own fault.
Being sick of it has practically nothing to do with judicial appraisal of its aesthetic achievements or flaws. Being sick of it is, as you rightly note, a function of overplay & force-feeding at the trough of modern marketing. I'd like to hear you offer an appraisal of the formalistic, thematic or conceptual aspects of the work on the album, irrespective of your personal oversatiation.

Remember, dave, if we let oversatiation stand in the way of our inclination to experience art, our views & our appreciation of works of art hundreds of years old -- whether we're talking about Shakespeare's plays, El Greco's paintings or Beethoven's symphonies -- would be seriously compromised & skewed. We must dig deep within ourselves & extricate the core essence of our experience, treating it as a first exposure if we are to understand all the artists whose work technology & the marketplace have made ubiquitous in our lives.
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Old 10-16-2005, 04:53 PM
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Hate is such a strong word. While it may not be my favourite Mac song by a long shot, I still don't think it's that bad as some have stated here. It's just a part of Rumours, I never thought there was anything wrong (or off) with it.
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Old 10-16-2005, 04:55 PM
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Fleetwood Mac was better than virtually any other pop band except the Beatles at combining elements in a way that magnified the whole affair well beyond what the simple artistic sum would be of each element put together with the others.
Well put. Somewhat ironically, the vibe I get from "Don't Stop" is the same vibe I get from "Hey Jude." Both have the "hang in there, everything is going to be okay" message throughout and a grand sing-a-long at the end
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Old 10-16-2005, 05:09 PM
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I really like Don't Stop from The Dance, even though Lindsay looks and sounds like he's going to pass out from heat stroke.

The album version always sounded very stale to me, but I still like it--just not as much as The Dance.

I really hate the SYW versions for 2 reasons.
1. Stevie singing Christine's part. She doesn't even sing the right lyrics!
2. Brett Tuggle sucks at playing anything like Christine

Does anyone have the inaugural version (Live?) and whatever was rereleased? I can defintely tell you if anything was rerecorded for release or if there's a video who's faking.

I'd love to see it.
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Old 10-16-2005, 05:26 PM
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I actually only came to this realization last night, after years of not disliking it. Don't let memory or habit fool you!
Well I understand what you say, but for me this irritating feelgood-song really helped me through difficult heartbroken moments when I was a little boy in love between 12 and 18. So memory in this case cannot be cut off for me in the analysis or critization of the album nor the song. It's there and it made the mac big several times. I think it's an irritating song but it makes me feel happy and strong. How can you be against that.
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Old 10-16-2005, 05:31 PM
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I'm honestly COMPLETELY sick of the Rumours album. I've just heard it too many millions of times in my life. It's my own fault. I bought the reissue(the day it came out), and STILL have only listened to the bonus disk! Track #8, please...
Well, it's amazing but I've heard it as much as you did and still it's an album so strong that I can't get sick off it. I even heard Tusk ALOT more in my life and that one is still the best thing ever brought out by anyone. The california cocaine trilogy is just something that has so much power that it will stand the test of time forever.
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Old 10-16-2005, 07:40 PM
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[If I allow myself to think about it any further, it pisses me off, knowing a bit of the story. They were getting a divorce. He didn't want to get a divorce. He was very much in love with her. Okay, I'm putting myself in his shoes. I would be feeling really, really ****ty. And then she writes this song for me, this "oh, you'll get over it" and "turn that frown upside down" song. That would make me want to say "Go f*ck yourself!" The last thing I want is the person who rejected me saying, "Oh, you'll get over it. Tomorrow is a brand new day!" If I were the suicidal type, that might be the nail in coffin. I would be like, "Lady, get a clue! You are the love of my life! 'It'll be better than before' is not going to alleviate a damn thing!" I mean, it's just so amazingly shallow and it doesn't acknowledge the pain he must have felt at all.
This gave me a chuckle, as this is what i think too whenever I hear Don't Stop. I have heard from a source that John really was in a very bad way for awhile regarding depression, just withdrawing from life etc. He has alluded to the fact that 'it would have been easy just to dig a pit and jump in it' so I think it's safe to say there were occasionial suicidal thoughts. (Frankly, hearing Songbird for the first time might have been enough to make me jump in front of train if I were him, but I digress.)

And in Chris' defense, she must have been worried sick about him. And this was all during the time when she and John weren't even talking, so it must have been a really horrible, helpless feeling seeing him that way. and i guess she couldn't write "i still love you, but I'm not coming back to you... please don't kill yourself." Doesn't have the makings of a hit single LOL. so maybe writing that lighthearted little ditty was just the only way she could express to him that she was thinking about him, and worried about him. and i also think it was a nice added touch that it was a blues shuffle,something she knew he'd probably enjoy playing.


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The only thing worse than that is knowing that she's say "You make lovin' fun and I don't have to tell you that you're the only one" and "I never did believe in miracles" etc. and she's talking about someone else!
Agreed. And yet how amazing is the bassline on that song?! Amazing. it's the little stories behind the songs that always made FM so special to me.

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Old 10-16-2005, 07:42 PM
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Well, it's amazing but I've heard it as much as you did and still it's an album so strong that I can't get sick off it. I even heard Tusk ALOT more in my life and that one is still the best thing ever brought out by anyone. The california cocaine trilogy is just something that has so much power that it will stand the test of time forever.
I don't know. I don't wanna date myself(even though I'm damned good at it! ), but I think it was three 8 tracks, 2-3 cassettes, one album, and two CD's. All but the CD's worn completely out.
Is it the most important album of my life? Yes.
Is it still my favorite? No, by my own overplaying.
What IS the greatest FM album ever? Mystery To Me. Hands down.
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This gave me a chuckle, as this is what i think too whenever I hear Don't Stop. I have heard from a source that John really was in a very bad way for awhile regarding depression, just withdrawing from life etc. He has alluded to the fact that 'it would have been easy just to dig a pit and jump in it' so I think it's safe to say there were occasionial suicidal thoughts. (Frankly, hearing Songbird for the first time might have been enough to make me jump in front of train if I were him, but I digress.)

And in Chris' defense, she must have been worried sick about him. And this was all during the time when she and John weren't even talking, so it must have been a really horrible, helpless feeling seeing him that way. and i guess she couldn't write "i still love you, but I'm not coming back to you... please don't kill yourself." Doesn't have the makings of a hit single LOL. so maybe writing that lighthearted little ditty was just the only way she could express to him that she was thinking about him, and worried about him. and i also think it was a nice added touch that it was a blues shuffle,something she knew he'd probably enjoy playing.




Agreed. And yet how amazing is the bassline on that song?! Amazing. it's the little stories behind the songs that always made FM so special to me.

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Lis, you rule. Thanks so much for giving me some insight into their whole situation and showing me that I'm not the only one who has thought of those songs in those terms. And I've never thought of "Songbird" that way; I think you have a point. I can see how she would have been limited in how she could express her feelings to him, especially if those feelings were going to be made public and musically so. I can see (as much as I possibly can) what she must have been going through, wondering what she could do to make things better and not having that many options. What a truly horrible time it must have been for them both. And you're right about "You Make Lovin' Fun." Nothing takes away from how irresistable it is.

Thanks for that post in general.
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Old 10-16-2005, 07:59 PM
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I just can't get into it... Too cheesy
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:03 PM
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Lis, you rule. Thanks so much for giving me some insight into their whole situation and showing me that I'm not the only one who has thought of those songs in those terms. And I've never thought of "Songbird" that way; I think you have a point. I can see how she would have been limited in how she could express her feelings to him, especially if those feelings were going to be made public and musically so. I can see (as much as I possibly can) what she must have been going through, wondering what she could do to make things better and not having that many options. What a truly horrible time it must have been for them both. And you're right about "You Make Lovin' Fun." Nothing takes away from how irresistable it is.

Thanks for that post in general.
Why, you're very welcome. I could probably write endlessly on those two, they fascinate me.

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Old 10-17-2005, 02:26 PM
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in all the languages of the Earth to describe my dislike for this song...Hated it years ago & when Slick Willy used it for his camapign for the 8 years he spent in the Oral Office I decided this song has to be one of the worst of the worst songs ever.

"Don't Stop"? No, please do...I have had more than enough of the Rumours album.
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Old 10-17-2005, 09:13 PM
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I think at this point in time the haters should take out their copy of Rhino records Making of the classic album Rumours - lol. I watched it tonight for the first time in a few years and I have renewed appreciation for Don't Stop , as well as the whole record. Don't get me wrong, I am never sick of Rumours, but another person here said something along the lines of that its good go back and reappreciate the art of something, to see why it stands the test of time. Well Rumours I continue to appreciate you in a new way yet again, and I will date myself and admit that I have been listening to you for 28 years!
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Old 10-18-2005, 10:30 AM
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umm, i don't like this song. at all. and i never ever did. i remember listening to the album when i was a kid and running to turn it over before this song came on.

saccharin = no thank you

and also, i'm not a christine fan in general. and neither was my mom. genetically predisposed to not like this song? it's possible. i'm just so tired of it.

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