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Old 10-05-2005, 10:31 AM
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Yep - essentially and even though we print the money, our currency will be soo debased that it will suffer. Put it this way, would you loan money to someone as in debt as we are, esp. if that person was continuing to expand that debt with no end in sight?

I also hate to say it, but the only way I can see to pay back that debt is to raise taxes, which as you know, I am loathe to say because (1) we pay too much for the govt. waste as it is, and (2) higher taxes will initially hurt the economy. But, thanks to the R's we are once again in a mess just like we were after Nixon/Ford, Reagan/Bush, etc.

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the recall has already been started.
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Ann's new column on Bush's decision is GREAT! This is the best line...


However nice, helpful, prompt and tidy she is, Harriet Miers isn't qualified to play a Supreme Court justice on "The West Wing," let alone to be a real one. Both Republicans and Democrats should be alarmed that Bush seems to believe his power to appoint judges is absolute. This is what "advice and consent" means.
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Ann's new column on Bush's decision is GREAT! This is the best line...


However nice, helpful, prompt and tidy she is, Harriet Miers isn't qualified to play a Supreme Court justice on "The West Wing," let alone to be a real one. Both Republicans and Democrats should be alarmed that Bush seems to believe his power to appoint judges is absolute. This is what "advice and consent" means.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/04/po...04conserv.html

In each call and in a series of teleconferences throughout the day, representatives of the White House promised their conservative supporters that as White House counsel, Ms. Miers had played a central role in picking the many exemplars of conservatism among Mr. Bush's previous nominees.

Some of the efforts evidently bore fruit. By day's end, Mr. Dobson, one of the most influential evangelical conservatives, welcomed the nomination. "Some of what I know I am not at liberty to talk about," he said in an interview, explaining his decision to speak out in support of Ms. Miers. He declined to discuss his conversations with the White House.
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Ann's new column on Bush's decision is GREAT! This is the best line...


However nice, helpful, prompt and tidy she is, Harriet Miers isn't qualified to play a Supreme Court justice on "The West Wing," let alone to be a real one. Both Republicans and Democrats should be alarmed that Bush seems to believe his power to appoint judges is absolute. This is what "advice and consent" means.
Interesting coming from Ann..

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Old 10-05-2005, 07:59 PM
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Interesting coming from Ann..

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And I think she is totally spot on.

I mean who the heck is this woman, we don't even know really and she could possibly be ON THE SUPREME COURT!?!?! This isn't a game this is serious. It is embarrassing and laughable at best that Bush could not come up with anyone better. Bush's arrogance in this case, where he feels as if he can just nominate anyone is ridiculous.
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And I think she is totally spot on.

I mean who the heck is this woman, we don't even know really and she could possibly be ON THE SUPREME COURT!?!?! This isn't a game this is serious. It is embarrassing and laughable at best that Bush could not come up with anyone better. Bush's arrogance in this case, where he feels as if he can just nominate anyone is ridiculous.
Did you not read what I posted? I love how you totally dodged it.
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Did you not read what I posted? I love how you totally dodged it.
Come down Josh, I will pay you some attention too!

And for your information I did read the article you posted from the "Treason Times"...what's your point?
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And for your information I did read the article you posted from the "Treason Times"...
But the "Treason Times" employs the right's favorite cheerleader, Judith Miller.

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what's your point?
If you can't see the point, you shouldn't be involving yourself in these discussions because you obviously lack the skills of comprehension necessary to sound intelligent.
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OCT 5 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Conservatives on Wednesday continued to question President Bush's nomination of White House counsel Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court, causing a rare fracture in the GOP's attempts to move the federal judiciary to the right.


"There are a lot more people -- men, women and minorities -- that are more qualified in my opinion by their experience than she is," said Sen. Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, formerly the Senate Majority leader.

Lott said it's not enough for the president to say "trust me," when it comes to the Supreme Court.

"I don't just automatically salute or take a deep bow anytime a nominee is sent up," Lott told MSNBC. "I have to find out who these people are, and right now, I'm not satisfied with what I know."

Other conservatives offered Miers their support.

"President Bush has an excellent record of appointing judges who recognize the proper role of the courts, which is to interpret the law according to its actual text, and not to legislate from the bench," said David N. O'Steen, executive director of the National Right to Life Committee. "We believe that Harriet Miers is another nominee who will abide by the text and history of the Constitution."

GOP Sen. John Cornyn, a fellow Texan, a former judge and a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, also came out for Miers after meeting with her Wednesday morning. Cornyn said he believes her Senate Judiciary confirmation hearing could begin as early as Nov. 7.

"I don't need to reserve judgment because I know she's the right person for the job now," said Cornyn, who has known Miers for 15 years.

But Cornyn acknowledged that Miers faces problems from some conservatives. "The president in a sense has disarmed some of his critics, but also made some of his supporters nervous by this nomination," Cornyn said.

Conservatives in some cases are expressing outright opposition, some are in wait-and-see mode and others are silent, all bad signs for a Bush administration used to having the full backing of all wings of the GOP when it takes on the Senate's minority Democrats over judicial selection.


"I'm getting reports on both sides," said Paul Weyrich, a conservative leader from the Free Congress Foundation. "Some people are quite enthused about her and other people are very upset. The grass-roots are not happy, I can tell you that."

Bush defended the 60-year-old nominee at a Rose Garden news conference Tuesday, repeatedly implying that conservatives should trust his judgment in picking Miers to succeed the retiring Sandra Day O'Connor.

While insisting that he doesn't recall ever talking to Miers about abortion, he pointedly said, "I know her heart."

Bush, who emphasized that he's a proud conservative, said he hoped his supporters were listening. "I'm interested in someone who shares my philosophy and will share it 20 years from now," he said.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan on Wednesday said the nomination was only two days old and suggested that support for Miers would grow once senators looked "at her record of accomplishment." He said that while she would answer questions put to her by senators, the White House would not make available "confidential deliberative documents" relating to work she had done for the president.

After a strong push from the president and his White House staff, some conservative groups are coming out in favor of Miers, the White House counsel and longtime Bush friend. "I trust that she will be an excellent addition to the high court and all Americans will be proud of her," said Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition.

And one of the Senate's senior conservatives, Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, was one of the first senators to announce his support for Miers.

"A lot of my fellow conservatives are concerned, but they don't know her as I do," said Hatch, a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. "She's going to basically do what the president thinks she should, and that is be a strict constructionist" when it comes to deciding constitutional issues.

But many Senate conservatives are withholding judgment, and House Republican leaders have said little to nothing about Miers. Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, a Judiciary Committee Republican and a possible GOP 2008 candidate, even invoked a favorite target of conservatives when talking about Miers.

"There's precious little to go on and a deep concern that this would be a Souter-type candidate," Brownback said, referring to Supreme Court Justice David Souter, a little-known judge nominated for the court by the first President Bush who later turned out to be liberal on the bench.

"The circumstances seem to be very similar," said Brownback, who will meet with Miers on Thursday. "Not much track record, people vouching for her, yet indications of a different thought pattern earlier in life."
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But the "Treason Times" employs the right's favorite cheerleader, Judith Miller.


Like I said, "I read the article you posted from the "Treason Times"

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If you can't see the point, you shouldn't be involving yourself in these discussions because you obviously lack the skills of comprehension necessary to sound intelligent.
Poor baby...

I understood the article, but I am incapable of seeing your point unless you make it clear to me. I'm not one who usually has premonitions.
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Like I said, "I read the article you posted from the "Treason Times"
Yeah, the one that employs the right's favorite cheerleader, Judith Miller.

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Poor baby...

I understood the article, but I am incapable of seeing your point unless you make it clear to me. I'm not one who usually has premonitions.
You obviously did not comprehend what you read.

That nutbag Dobson, JAMES DOBSON, approves of Harriet Miers after being given secret information. Information that the rest of us do not have. Information that was given to him by the White House. You'd have to be off your rocker to think that Dobson would approve of a moderate to be appointed to the USSC when this is his time to get Roe v. Wade overturned. Miers is an extreme conservative.
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Yeah, the one that employs the right's favorite cheerleader, Judith Miller.



You obviously did not comprehend what you read.

That nutbag Dobson, JAMES DOBSON, approves of Harriet Miers after being given secret information. Information that the rest of us do not have. Information that was given to him by the White House. You'd have to be off your rocker to think that Dobson would approve of a moderate to be appointed to the USSC when this is his time to get Roe v. Wade overturned. Miers is an extreme conservative.
That's really not the point. This woman has NO QUALIFICATIONS. I don't care where she "stands". She could be the smartest woman in the world, it's not the point! The point is that Bush has this inane arrogance that he can just nominate ANYONE (with no qualifications) to serve on the highest court! We should all be alarmed at this...
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That's really not the point. This woman has NO QUALIFICATIONS.
William Rehnquist had no judicial qualifications, either.

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I don't care where she "stands".
Of course you do. The entire point of this thread that you started was to decry her nomination because you didn't think she was conservative enough. Don't bait and switch.

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She could be the smartest woman in the world, it's not the point! The point is that Bush has this inane arrogance that he can just nominate ANYONE (with no qualifications) to serve on the highest court! We should all be alarmed at this...
I'm alarmed by any person Shrub tries to appoint to the United States Supreme Court, don't you worry about that.
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That's really not the point. This woman has NO QUALIFICATIONS. I don't care where she "stands". She could be the smartest woman in the world, it's not the point! The point is that Bush has this inane arrogance that he can just nominate ANYONE (with no qualifications) to serve on the highest court! We should all be alarmed at this...

Dont think for a second we aren't alarmed, as we often are...I was alarmed at Roberts just the same...another non qualified pick..

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